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Astrology => General Astrology Discussion => Topic started by: Pamela Young on December 11, 2018, 08:05:21 AM
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This is my second attempt to post this; I won't bother trying to attach my chart, so maybe that will help.
I'm trying to figure out if I should sell my house and move. I've lived in my house for almost twenty years, and it was four years old when I bought it. I'm the first and only owner; it was a model home, and consequently was quite lovely when I bought it, at least I thought so - beautifully landscaped, everything up to date (wiring, etc.). I'm used to thinking of my house as being quite nice.
So it came as quite a shock to learn that my house is considered to be in dire need of updating; when I had realtors and contractors in to get an idea of anything I should do before putting it on the market, I was told it 'screams 90s'! Supposedly, I need all new flooring (hardwood and/or new tile), new kitchen appliances, a new countertop, a backsplash, new sinks and faucets, the whole place needs to be repainted, etc., etc., etc. And this doesn't even take into account the things I've already had done, e.g., getting the cracks in the foundation fixed, getting a new water heater, etc. Everything that supposedly 'needs' to be done is strictly cosmetic.
If I do everything they say needs to be done, it will cost a LOT of money. If I actually do all that, my house may end up being so beautiful that I'll decide to stay, especially after putting such an investment into it. If I really do want to move, maybe I should just do the bare minimum to make my house look more up to date, as described by one of the realtors: get the kitchen cabinets professionally repainted, change the knobs, take down the wallpaper border, put in a new more neutrally coloured countertop, take up the carpet in the living room and put in an engineered hardwood floor ... This would cost considerably less.
One contractor told me he doesn't see why I'd want to move anyway. He said my house is basically beautiful, just in need of a little updating (a little?!) And he doesn't see why I'm worrying that I should move to a one-level home (mine's two-storey), that I am years away from having to worry about stairs because of mobility issues. Well, that's true, but I just thought that if I were to sell I might as well take that into consideration for the future, after seeing what my parents went through.
I'm considering selling because, as some of you may remember, I'm apparently being made the target of harassment by some person or persons unknown, whose hobby seems to be making my life difficult (I'll skip the details this time, having gone into them before). Also, coyotes keep killing my cats, and I can't take it any more; my house is on the outskirts of the city, very near the countryside, and there's a big wild unfenced ravine right behind my house where coyotes hang out. So I'm thinking I should sell and either rent, or maybe downsize to a bungalow or a main level condo, if I could find one that allows cats out onto the grass (almost none of them do). Maybe I should even move to another city, and/or province.
The thing is, it's hard to find bungalows that you'd be willing to move into and live in, that are affordable; they get snapped up before you can blink. Anything I've been seriously interested in over the last few months has sold in no time flat, with multiple offers, and the winning bids always end up being cash offers with at least twenty or thirty thousand dollars over asking. I can't compete with people who can do that. So I don't know what my chances are of getting a decent bungalow, not in this town. Who said the real estate market was going bust?!
Anyway - to move or not to move? That is the question. I was going to post my chart, with transits, progressions and solar arcs, but of course, I can't. First I couldn't attach my chart, and then I couldn't post at all.
In the hope that someone would be willing to take a look at this and give me their opinion, here is my birth data: February 6, 1952, @ 2:26 PM (14:26) EST, Guelph, Ontario, Canada. Any and all opinions would be very gratefully received.
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Pam, perhaps someone skilled in horary will see this and reply. From a Jyotisha point of view, you have upcoming dasha sub-sub-period changes in February, March, and May during the first half of next year, which will likely shed more light on things....
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Hi Pam, I'm out of town so don't have access to my astrology programs/charts however with the computer I have here I can post your natal, transits and progressed charts from Astrodienst since you're having trouble doing so. I don't see Trans or Solar Arc Uranus activating any angles in your chart
which suggests you won't be moving.
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Here is your Horary chart based on Dec 11, 2018, 8:05am, Guelph, Canada when you first posted your question. I will also add the chart to the Horary section of Tyl. Maybe someone skilled in horary can answer your question.
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Pam, perhaps someone skilled in horary will see this and reply. From a Jyotisha point of view, you have upcoming dasha sub-sub-period changes in February, March, and May during the first half of next year, which will likely shed more light on things....
Hi James,
Thank you so much for your interest, and for taking a look at my chart. Any idea what kind of light it will shed on things? Just wondering ...
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Hi Pam, I'm out of town so don't have access to my astrology programs/charts however with the computer I have here I can post your natal, transits and progressed charts from Astrodienst since you're having trouble doing so. I don't see Trans or Solar Arc Uranus activating any angles in your chart
which suggests you won't be moving.
Thank you very much, Halina. This is what I had in mind, your saying that you didn't see any angles being activated in my chart. Well, I'm not experienced at using solar arcs but I did notice, if I'm reading this right, that Solar Arc Ascendant seems to be conjunct my natal IC, i.e., the cusp of the 4th house (home), and Solar Arc Uranus (major change, disruption) is only a degree or so away from it. So I wondered ...
Also, secondary progressed Ascendant is conjunct my natal South Node in Virgo in the 3rd house, which gave me pause. In my experience, South Node contacts are never good. On the other hand, Virgo (which is also on the cusp of the natal 4th house) is ruled by Mercury, and Solar Arc Mercury is conjunct natal Jupiter, thus setting off my whole grand cross including the Ascendant/Descendant axis. Jupiter is sometimes good, sometimes not so much. So I'm confused ... (maybe transiting Neptune approaching my natal MC, thus opposing the IC?)
I was just remembering years ago, when I didn't know much astrology yet, an astrologer told me that I was definitely going to be moving soon. I thought, Well, she's wrong about that, because at the time I was living in a condo which was the first home I owned, and I loved it, and had no intention of going anywhere. Yet a few months later I did indeed put it up for sale, very reluctantly, because the condo fee was raised again, for no real reason; it became clear that the fee was just going to keep going up, basically every year, which meant that in another year or two I would not be able to afford to stay there. I was afraid if I let it go to that point, the fee might be so high that I wouldn't be able to find anyone to take it off my hands, and then it would end up going to power of sale. Well, I didn't want that. So I sold it, and bought the house where I have lived ever since.
I can't remember what transits or progressions that astrologer saw that caused her to say I would be moving. But I just wondered if anyone else would see anything similar, since my brain is kind of on scramble lately; way too much going on here for me to take in. I felt I needed the objective opinion of a disinterested party. So thank you again, Halina, and thank you for the horary chart also.
If anyone else would care to chime in, that would be great.
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Solar arc uranus hitting the angles can mean different things--i had this earlier in the year and I Had my car accident. Your horary does not look good to me--you have uranus in the 4th house square the moon and opposed venus. I personally think you should not--but what do I know???
I feel like I should consult someone because I have some interesting progressions with my natal 4th house ruler, mars, in my western chart in 2020. For example, what does it mean when you have what I call, mutual progressions? In other words, in 2020, progressed mercury will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and progressed mars, will square natal mercury, which rules my 9th and 7th houses. Around the same, progressed sun will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and square natal venus in the 8th house. I don't know, but this sounds like a move to me especially with transiting uranus in taurus in the mix. I also will be in jupiter dasa, which is in the 4th house in vedic chart. I also need some advice AMY
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Hi Pamela,
I looked at your horary chart in Halina's thread. To save you the trouble of going over there, I'll copy most of that post here:
If this question was "Should I move," then the significators for Pamela are ascendant-ruler Jupiter, potentially also the Sun (since it's conjunct the ascendant), the first-house planets (Saturn and Pluto in Cap), and also the Moon. The significators for her home/a possible move are IC ruler Mars and that 4th house Uranus. That's a lot of significators even if we omit the Sun on the basis that it's actually in the 12th. Thus a complex and fraught question.
But here are the aspects between significators:
- Jupiter at 7 Sag approaching trine to Uranus at 28 Aries (although Uranus goes back into Taurus before that trine perfects -- but then again, Jupiter goes into Capricorn after that and eventually, if you check your 2019 ephemeris, you'll see that the trine is perfected at 2'56" Taurus and Capricorn; I'd love to hear a horary specialist's take on that). Normally a trine between significators means the answer to the question is yes. I don't know if this one counts, though, due to the change in signs.
- Sun approaching trine to Uranus. Again, normally a trine between significators means yes.
- Moon approaching sextile to Uranus. Normally a sextile between significators means yes.
- No squares or oppositions to Uranus (Uranus goes back into Taurus before the Capricorn Saturn or Pluto get anywhere near a square to its current late degree of Aries -- there's no aspect at all between those significators), so there's an absence of "no" answers relating to Uranus.
- Mars at 16 Pisces applies to a sextile with Pluto at 19 Capricorn. Again, normally a sextile between significators means yes.
- There are no other applying aspects between Mars and any other significators: the Sun at 19 Sag is past the square, Jupiter at 7 Sag will not reach 16 Sag before Mars changes sign (same goes for Saturn at 9 Cap), and there's no aspect with the Moon. So with Mars too, there are no aspects that answer "no" to the question.
So the yesses certainly seem to outweigh the no's.
Also, I'm intrigued by the just-past-exact quincunx between Gemini and Uranus. Pamela mentioned harassment being a reason she's considering moving. If she knows who the harasser is, i.e. if it's an "open enemy," then they're indicated by the 7th house, which is empty but ruled by Mercury. Quincunxes in horary normally suggest that something needs to change; this quincunx is in the past. That seems to reflect the fact that an enemy's actions have made Pamela think something needs to change (quincunx), drastically (Uranus), with respect to her residence (4th house). Of course, if she doesn't know the harasser then this may not be relevant. That possibility is suggested by the presence of two significators in the 12th house of secret enemies.
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Hi Pamela, I don't know the answer but here are a few ideas for the swirl…
First, I sympathize with your housing dilemma which sounds like many I’ve heard about and my own, in a home I’ve enjoyed that is now dated and a bit worn. Yep, buyers want fresh, already updated and are willing to pay for it. If you’re selling something other than that you better price accordingly (low) and also be willing to wait for the ‘right’ buyer. So far my response is to avoid the dilemma and do nothing; not a very proactive solution, I admit (which may reflect T Neptune trine my MC ;)).
In your case, I think transiting Neptune slowly approaching your Pisces MC (April 2018-January 2020) may suggest a transitioning process rather than a period of definitive decision-making, regarding the direction you want to go in. Do nothing or ‘wait and see’ might be alternatives in the questioning midst of Neptune uncertainty (bewilderment or anxiety), yet it sounds like you feel you must make a final decision and act now…Could this restlessness and urgent (disruptive?) focus on a change in home matters be related to transiting Uranus sextiling your 12th House natal Moon (June 2018-March 2019)? Though retrograding now, perhaps the March 2019 period, with the third T Uranus-N Moon contact, will reflect more personal insight and confidence about your future, potentially sparked by new experience, information, a relationship or contact (with T Uranus at Aries AP and the midpoint of your N Moon-Node; influencing your Moon-ruled Cancer ASC).
In the meantime I just wonder if the Neptune transit suggests being less focused on either-or and more open to other possibilities. For example, perhaps by allowing and freeing yourself to make small practical changes (Virgo 4th House) without knowing what your final housing decision will be (Pisces MC)...
And come to think of it, T Neptune is stirring (sextile) your 7th House natal Capricorn Venus, now under transiting Saturn pressure (a conjunction) suggesting a compromise (7th House), perhaps, that still involves constructive action, working with others, and structural ‘beautifying’... ;) Hmm, maybe you could select improvement(s) you are willing to pay for and endure right now, and do it. Your home will be improved for you or any future buyer – and in the process you might learn more about what you ultimately want and need.
Wishing you the best with this one & please keep us posted!
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Solar arc uranus hitting the angles can mean different things--i had this earlier in the year and I Had my car accident. Your horary does not look good to me--you have uranus in the 4th house square the moon and opposed venus. I personally think you should not--but what do I know???
I feel like I should consult someone because I have some interesting progressions with my natal 4th house ruler, mars, in my western chart in 2020. For example, what does it mean when you have what I call, mutual progressions? In other words, in 2020, progressed mercury will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and progressed mars, will square natal mercury, which rules my 9th and 7th houses. Around the same, progressed sun will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and square natal venus in the 8th house. I don't know, but this sounds like a move to me especially with transiting uranus in taurus in the mix. I also will be in jupiter dasa, which is in the 4th house in vedic chart. I also need some advice AMY
Amy, thank you very much for taking a look at my chart and giving me your thoughts on the situation. Yes, interpreting movements of Uranus can be tricky. I personally would tend to focus on the transits, progressions and solar arcs to my natal chart, rather than looking at the horary, because I am not a big believer in the trustworthiness of horary; the rules are too much up in the air. Antonio's example of which time is the right one to use for the horary chart is a perfect example.
With regard to your own situation, I don't think I can add to what Antonio said about it in the horary thread, not being familiar with your chart.
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Hi Pamela,
I looked at your horary chart in Halina's thread. To save you the trouble of going over there, I'll copy most of that post here:
If this question was "Should I move," then the significators for Pamela are ascendant-ruler Jupiter, potentially also the Sun (since it's conjunct the ascendant), the first-house planets (Saturn and Pluto in Cap), and also the Moon. The significators for her home/a possible move are IC ruler Mars and that 4th house Uranus. That's a lot of significators even if we omit the Sun on the basis that it's actually in the 12th. Thus a complex and fraught question.
But here are the aspects between significators:
- Jupiter at 7 Sag approaching trine to Uranus at 28 Aries (although Uranus goes back into Taurus before that trine perfects -- but then again, Jupiter goes into Capricorn after that and eventually, if you check your 2019 ephemeris, you'll see that the trine is perfected at 2'56" Taurus and Capricorn; I'd love to hear a horary specialist's take on that). Normally a trine between significators means the answer to the question is yes. I don't know if this one counts, though, due to the change in signs.
- Sun approaching trine to Uranus. Again, normally a trine between significators means yes.
- Moon approaching sextile to Uranus. Normally a sextile between significators means yes.
- No squares or oppositions to Uranus (Uranus goes back into Taurus before the Capricorn Saturn or Pluto get anywhere near a square to its current late degree of Aries -- there's no aspect at all between those significators), so there's an absence of "no" answers relating to Uranus.
- Mars at 16 Pisces applies to a sextile with Pluto at 19 Capricorn. Again, normally a sextile between significators means yes.
- There are no other applying aspects between Mars and any other significators: the Sun at 19 Sag is past the square, Jupiter at 7 Sag will not reach 16 Sag before Mars changes sign (same goes for Saturn at 9 Cap), and there's no aspect with the Moon. So with Mars too, there are no aspects that answer "no" to the question.
So the yesses certainly seem to outweigh the no's.
Also, I'm intrigued by the just-past-exact quincunx between Gemini and Uranus. Pamela mentioned harassment being a reason she's considering moving. If she knows who the harasser is, i.e. if it's an "open enemy," then they're indicated by the 7th house, which is empty but ruled by Mercury. Quincunxes in horary normally suggest that something needs to change; this quincunx is in the past. That seems to reflect the fact that an enemy's actions have made Pamela think something needs to change (quincunx), drastically (Uranus), with respect to her residence (4th house). Of course, if she doesn't know the harasser then this may not be relevant. That possibility is suggested by the presence of two significators in the 12th house of secret enemies.
Daleth, I replied to you on the horary thread, but thank you again for giving such a detailed reply; greatly appreciated. As I said on the other thread, those engaging in the harassment would be considered secret enemies rather than open ones, I think, as I do not know for sure who they are; I have my suspicions, but zero hard evidence and anyway, I could be wrong.
The question I asked in my original post was, 'To move or not to move?' I didn't actually intend it to be a horary question; I guess I should have phrased it more along the lines of, 'In your astrological opinion, looking at the transits, progressions and solar arcs to my natal chart, do you think I should move? Or, do you think I WILL move?' Not asking you to answer this (unless you want to), just clarifying my original post; I was writing in kind of a rush; should have been more specific about what I was interested in.
Anyway, again, thank you so much.
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Hi Pamela, I don't know the answer but here are a few ideas for the swirl…
First, I sympathize with your housing dilemma which sounds like many I’ve heard about and my own, in a home I’ve enjoyed that is now dated and a bit worn. Yep, buyers want fresh, already updated and are willing to pay for it. If you’re selling something other than that you better price accordingly (low) and also be willing to wait for the ‘right’ buyer. So far my response is to avoid the dilemma and do nothing; not a very proactive solution, I admit (which may reflect T Neptune trine my MC ;)).
In your case, I think transiting Neptune slowly approaching your Pisces MC (April 2018-January 2020) may suggest a transitioning process rather than a period of definitive decision-making, regarding the direction you want to go in. Do nothing or ‘wait and see’ might be alternatives in the questioning midst of Neptune uncertainty (bewilderment or anxiety), yet it sounds like you feel you must make a final decision and act now…Could this restlessness and urgent (disruptive?) focus on a change in home matters be related to transiting Uranus sextiling your 12th House natal Moon (June 2018-March 2019)? Though retrograding now, perhaps the March 2019 period, with the third T Uranus-N Moon contact, will reflect more personal insight and confidence about your future, potentially sparked by new experience, information, a relationship or contact (with T Uranus at Aries AP and the midpoint of your N Moon-Node; influencing your Moon-ruled Cancer ASC).
In the meantime I just wonder if the Neptune transit suggests being less focused on either-or and more open to other possibilities. For example, perhaps by allowing and freeing yourself to make small practical changes (Virgo 4th House) without knowing what your final housing decision will be (Pisces MC)...
And come to think of it, T Neptune is stirring (sextile) your 7th House natal Capricorn Venus, now under transiting Saturn pressure (a conjunction) suggesting a compromise (7th House), perhaps, that still involves constructive action, working with others, and structural ‘beautifying’... ;) Hmm, maybe you could select improvement(s) you are willing to pay for and endure right now, and do it. Your home will be improved for you or any future buyer – and in the process you might learn more about what you ultimately want and need.
Wishing you the best with this one & please keep us posted!
Hi pdw,
Thanks very much for your thoughts. I had to laugh when you said that your response to the dilemma has been to avoid it and do nothing; that's exactly what I've been doing the last few years! I feel the time has come to do SOMETHING. You make good points about the possible meanings of transiting Neptune and Uranus.
Part of the reason I've begun getting serious about taking some real action with regard to improving my house, is that back a few months ago I came across a house I really liked, that I thought had my name on it. I would have liked to buy it but I can't buy anything unless I sell mine first, and my house was not only not up for sale at the time but wasn't ready (in my opinion) to be put up for sale. So I lost that house. And I realized that there's no point in looking at any more, unless my own house is at least ready to put up for sale on a moment's notice, so I could make an offer conditional on the sale of my house, in the expectation that it would sell quickly.
Another factor prompting me to sell my house and move somewhere, maybe far away, is that I've been looking ahead a few years, and don't like what I see coming up for me in 2022, which is not that far off. My solar return for that year looks downright dangerous, and it scared me. Well, you can't outrun fate, but I'm really wondering if my chances for surviving those transits would improve if I were to move away from here, as far as I can get.
I'm going to try to add the chart for the solar return; hope springs eternal ...
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So apparently I can attach a chart if I export it as a PDF document, but I can't save it any other way; it keeps saving as a web archive, instead of as a GIF or anything else acceptable. Very weird.
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Hi Pam, I save my chart to Pictures first, then go to Tyl, print a few extra replies, then attach the chart from Tyl then to the Pictures file where I find the saved chart. Works all the time.
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Hi Pam, I save my chart to Pictures first, then go to Tyl, print a few extra replies, then attach the chart from Tyl then to the Pictures file where I find the saved chart. Works all the time.
Halina, I save to Pictures too, but the problem is that when I then try to attach the saved item, it always says (lately) that it's been saved as a Web Archive, which is not an acceptable format. Only certain formats are acceptable, GIFs and I forget what else. The thing is, the charts I save are always in an acceptable format when I save them ... yet somehow when I go to select one for attachment, the format has supposedly been changed. Anyway, nothing will attach. I give up. Exporting as a PDF seems to be working, knock on wood.
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Part of the reason I've begun getting serious about taking some real action with regard to improving my house, is that back a few months ago I came across a house I really liked, that I thought had my name on it. I would have liked to buy it but I can't buy anything unless I sell mine first, and my house was not only not up for sale at the time but wasn't ready (in my opinion) to be put up for sale. So I lost that house. And I realized that there's no point in looking at any more, unless my own house is at least ready to put up for sale on a moment's notice, so I could make an offer conditional on the sale of my house, in the expectation that it would sell quickly.
Aha! So a house caught your fancy and sparked your imagination a few months ago, reflecting Neptune and Uranus, perhaps...and bringing home, so to speak ;), the necessity for readiness. And if you started down the readiness path right now, that'd be taking advantage of the transiting Jupiter momentum in your 6th House. Let's see, that could reflect moving ahead with home improvement plans and working out the details (with T Jupiter sextile your natal 4th-ruling Mercury). And could this effort be in preparation for T Jupiter's sextile to your Sun and square to your MC-IC - a personally positive and significant period?
Since our actions and transits build on each other it might be worth reviewing how this pursuing Sagittarius Jupiter dynamic was reflected in your life beginning in December 2006, the last time it transited this area in your chart.
Thanks for the feedback and sharing with us. I'm intrigued and excited about what happens next. Maybe I'll even get inspired. ;)
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Pamela, when you save your chart make sure the GIF box is checked....also "Save to Documents". Thought I'd post your Solar Return for the Year to
see if there are clues as to a possible move there.
Your Solar Return for the Year gives 2 clues that you are moving:
1. In the SR chart, Sun, r2, money from sale, conjuncts Venus, ruler 4th, your home, both in the 8th House, buyer's money.
Both Sun and Venus aspect Moon, r1, you, opposition Uranus, r8, buyer's money.
2. Pluto, in the 7th, enemies, harassment = Moon/Uranus, change of residence.
3. On the other hand, these 2 aspects might also suggest a home makeover
since Venus, Pluto and home are prominent.
Dymock Brose says that the 3rd House is prominent for "moves" and your SR has Sun,Merc ruling 3rd with Venus, r4th Home.
SR Venus, r4, home sextile Jupiter in 5th, increasing value by creative improvements. An intercepted Libra in the 4th suggests
your home has been neglected over the years concerning attention paid to it. 8th House aspects THEMES, suggest property valuation.
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Part of the reason I've begun getting serious about taking some real action with regard to improving my house, is that back a few months ago I came across a house I really liked, that I thought had my name on it. I would have liked to buy it but I can't buy anything unless I sell mine first, and my house was not only not up for sale at the time but wasn't ready (in my opinion) to be put up for sale. So I lost that house. And I realized that there's no point in looking at any more, unless my own house is at least ready to put up for sale on a moment's notice, so I could make an offer conditional on the sale of my house, in the expectation that it would sell quickly.
Aha! So a house caught your fancy and sparked your imagination a few months ago, reflecting Neptune and Uranus, perhaps...and bringing home, so to speak ;), the necessity for readiness. And if you started down the readiness path right now, that'd be taking advantage of the transiting Jupiter momentum in your 6th House. Let's see, that could reflect moving ahead with home improvement plans and working out the details (with T Jupiter sextile your natal 4th-ruling Mercury). And could this effort be in preparation for T Jupiter's sextile to your Sun and square to your MC-IC - a personally positive and significant period?
Since our actions and transits build on each other it might be worth reviewing how this pursuing Sagittarius Jupiter dynamic was reflected in your life beginning in December 2006, the last time it transited this area in your chart.]/color]
Thanks for the feedback and sharing with us. I'm intrigued and excited about what happens next. Maybe I'll even get inspired. ;)
Thanks very much, pdw; your interpretation is certainly attractive, and I hope you're right. The last time Jupiter was in Sagittarius I was still working (and commuting about an hour away). I was sick of the commute, which could be downright dangerous in the wintertime, and seriously considered selling my house and moving close to work; I looked at a number of places. But then, instead, I ended up changing my workplace instead of my home, but continued to commute. So my daily life on the job (6th house) improved (Jupiter, in Sagittarius) though I ended up staying put in my home, and continuing with the commute.
Hmm. Well, since I'm now retired the commuting is no longer an issue, and for that matter daily life on the job is no longer an issue. So maybe this time transiting Jupiter, being sextile to my natal 4th house ruler Mercury, will manifest as a change in my home. We'll see; it didn't last time! I did just exactly what I've been doing this time round; lots of looking at homes, ending up with staying put. But again, maybe this time things will be different.
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Pamela, when you save your chart make sure the GIF box is checked....also "Save to Documents". Thought I'd post your Solar Return for the Year to
see if there are clues as to a possible move there.
Your Solar Return for the Year gives 2 clues that you are moving:
1. In the SR chart, Sun, r2, money from sale, conjuncts Venus, ruler 4th, your home, both in the 8th House, buyer's money.
Both Sun and Venus aspect Moon, r1, you, opposition Uranus, r8, buyer's money.
2. Pluto, in the 7th, enemies, harassment = Moon/Uranus, change of residence.
3. On the other hand, these 2 aspects might also suggest a home makeover
since Venus, Pluto and home are prominent.
Dymock Brose says that the 3rd House is prominent for "moves" and your SR has Sun,Merc ruling 3rd with Venus, r4th Home.
SR Venus, r4, home sextile Jupiter in 5th, increasing value by creative improvements. An intercepted Libra in the 4th suggests
your home has been neglected over the years concerning attention paid to it. 8th House aspects THEMES, suggest property valuation.
Hi Halina,
Thanks very much for posting the solar return. The main thing that strikes me, with regard to the topic at hand, is the exact opposition of the Moon, the chart ruler, from the 4th house (home) to Uranus (major change, disruption) in the 10th. That's pretty literal! I also like the trine from the Moon, in Libra (beauty, harmony) to Venus (ditto). Could live without the square from the Moon to Pluto on the Descendant, but again, that's a literal description of what's been going on. The only problem is, as you say, this could describe either a move, or just making improvements to my home. I'm definitely going to be making the improvements to my home, but I do wish I knew if I'd be moving or not. (By the way, I wouldn't say I've 'neglected' my home; just haven't kept up with the Joneses.)
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I'm going to test this Zone thing....It's 9:52am as I write this .....let's see what time is recorded for the post.
Answer: 6:52:29am.....a difference of 3 hours....so Antonio's Horary chart is correct.....I'm going to delete my horary chart.
Pamela here are your next 2 Lunar Returns to help see where your thinking is heading.....i.e. sell or stay.
First LR is for period Nov 25 to Dec 22, 2018.....second LR is for period Dec 22, 2018 to around Jan 20 2019.
In the first Lunar Return, Venus, 1st, rules 1 & 8, forming a grand trine with Mars-Neptune, 5th, suggestin
repainting home etc, trine Moon, 9th, lawyer for papers to sell. Venus opposes Uranus, r4, home in 7th, putting
up public for sale sign. Uranus joins Saturn, r4, home conj Pluto r2, money from sale. Venus joins Pluto.
Saturn-Pluto are in the 3rd House giving moving, relocation. The 2nd H has a huge stellium denoting money
from the sale is excellent. Jupiter, r3rd, moving, relocation.
In the 2nd Lunar Return chart, the 3rd/9th axis is prominent, 3rd movement, 9th legal papers, MOON ruling
3, and 4 home, Saturn ruling 9. Pluto rules 7, enemy harassment on the MC, joining Mars-Neptune on 12th of
secret enemies. The 5th House no longer shows creative repair work to the home as the House is empty.
Venus in Scorpio, debilitated in 7th joins malefic's Mars-Neptune in 12th. Venus rules 6th, the harassment is
affecting your health...6th/12th axis. Jupiter Sag, in rulership in 8, ruling 8, money from other, for sale of
property.
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Hi Pamela, here is the ephemeris for the asteroid HOUSE, for the current period until January 15, 2019. As you can see House is transiting CAPRICORN now. Pencil its location in for all your charts, i.e. transits, lunar returns. House is transitting your natal 7th House, heading for the 8th, other's money.
When you were born natal HOUSE was at 19Aries04 on the cusp of your natal 11th House. You will be 67 yrs old in Feb....so let 1 year of life = 1 degree.
67 years or degrees is 2 signs plus 7 degrees of Solar Arc. So let's Solar Arc your natal House forward that amount.....taking us to 26Gemini04.
So in your Solar Arc chart pencil in asteroid HOUSE at 26Gemini04, which is the 12th House of your natal chart approaching a conjunction to your natal Moon at 1Caner20, ruler Asc. Solar Arc HOUSE will be in the 12th for 14 more years, then it conjuncts natal Asc-Uranus.
Below is a Table for trans House position. So for the next 14 years, your House is subject to secret enemies.
DATE | LONG |
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15 Dec 2018 | 11 cp 28 |
16 Dec 2018 | 11 cp 49 |
17 Dec 2018 | 12 cp 11 |
18 Dec 2018 | 12 cp 33 |
19 Dec 2018 | 12 cp 55 |
20 Dec 2018 | 13 cp 16 |
21 Dec 2018 | 13 cp 38 |
22 Dec 2018 | 14 cp 0 |
23 Dec 2018 | 14 cp 22 |
24 Dec 2018 | 14 cp 44 |
25 Dec 2018 | 15 cp 6 |
26 Dec 2018 | 15 cp 28 |
27 Dec 2018 | 15 cp 50 |
28 Dec 2018 | 16 cp 12 |
29 Dec 2018 | 16 cp 34 |
30 Dec 2018 | 16 cp 56 |
31 Dec 2018 | 17 cp 18 |
01 Jan 2019 | 17 cp 40 |
02 Jan 2019 | 18 cp 2 |
03 Jan 2019 | 18 cp 25 |
04 Jan 2019 | 18 cp 47 |
05 Jan 2019 | 19 cp 9 |
06 Jan 2019 | 19 cp 31 |
07 Jan 2019 | 19 cp 53 |
08 Jan 2019 | 20 cp 16 |
09 Jan 2019 | 20 cp 38 |
10 Jan 2019 | 21 cp 0 |
11 Jan 2019 | 21 cp 23 |
12 Jan 2019 | 21 cp 45 |
13 Jan 2019 | 22 cp 7 |
14 Jan 2019 | 22 cp 29 |
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Pamela here are your next 2 Lunar Returns to help see where your thinking is heading.....i.e. sell or stay.
First LR is for period Nov 25 to Dec 22, 2018.....second LR is for period Dec 22, 2018 to around Jan 20 2019.
In the first Lunar Return, Venus, 1st, rules 1 & 8, forming a grand trine with Mars-Neptune, 5th, suggestin
repainting home etc, trine Moon, 9th, lawyer for papers to sell. Venus opposes Uranus, r4, home in 7th, putting
up public for sale sign. Uranus joins Saturn, r4, home conj Pluto r2, money from sale. Venus joins Pluto.
Saturn-Pluto are in the 3rd House giving moving, relocation. The 2nd H has a huge stellium denoting money
from the sale is excellent. Jupiter, r3rd, moving, relocation.
In the 2nd Lunar Return chart, the 3rd/9th axis is prominent, 3rd movement, 9th legal papers, MOON ruling
3, and 4 home, Saturn ruling 9. Pluto rules 7, enemy harassment on the MC, joining Mars-Neptune on 12th of
secret enemies. The 5th House no longer shows creative repair work to the home as the House is empty.
Venus in Scorpio, debilitated in 7th joins malefic's Mars-Neptune in 12th. Venus rules 6th, the harassment is
affecting your health...6th/12th axis. Jupiter Sag, in rulership in 8, ruling 8, money from other, for sale of
property.
Thank you for the lunar returns, Halina. Being lunar returns, the position of the Moon is paramount. In the first return, operative currently, the Moon is in the 9th house, and it trines Mars in Pisces in the 5th; so yes, I'd say legal communications to do with creatively beautifying the home are in play. This is very true. And Venus rules the chart, so beauty and creativity are definitely important here. The only thing is, it's all talk no action, so far; absolutely nothing is happening yet, much less in terms of actually putting the house up for sale.
The second return is also ruled by Venus, and this time the Moon is in the 3rd house (local trips, communication), rules the 4th (home), and opposes the Sun in the 9th house (legalities), and the Sun rules the 5th (creativity). Sounds right, like more of the same, but this return has yet to apply so we'll have to wait and see.
Venus rules both charts and, while Venus does signify beauty, it can also signify money, which is a big factor here (i.e., how much can I afford to spend?) Of course, Deborah Houlding, who Antonio brought up, says that it's not true that Venus signifies money, that this is an erroneous concept in modern astrology. Well, in my experience, Venus does indeed signify money, among other things.
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Hi Pamela, here is the ephemeris for the asteroid HOUSE, for the current period until January 15, 2019. As you can see House is transiting CAPRICORN now. Pencil its location in for all your charts, i.e. transits, lunar returns. House is transitting your natal 7th House, heading for the 8th, other's money.
When you were born natal HOUSE was at 19Aries04 on the cusp of your natal 11th House. You will be 67 yrs old in Feb....so let 1 year of life = 1 degree.
67 years or degrees is 2 signs plus 7 degrees of Solar Arc. So let's Solar Arc your natal House forward that amount.....taking us to 26Gemini04.
So in your Solar Arc chart pencil in asteroid HOUSE at 26Gemini04, which is the 12th House of your natal chart approaching a conjunction to your natal Moon at 1Caner20, ruler Asc. Solar Arc HOUSE will be in the 12th for 14 more years, then it conjuncts natal Asc-Uranus.
Below is a Table for trans House position. So for the next 14 years, your House is subject to secret enemies.
DATE | LONG |
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15 Dec 2018 | 11 cp 28 |
16 Dec 2018 | 11 cp 49 |
17 Dec 2018 | 12 cp 11 |
18 Dec 2018 | 12 cp 33 |
19 Dec 2018 | 12 cp 55 |
20 Dec 2018 | 13 cp 16 |
21 Dec 2018 | 13 cp 38 |
22 Dec 2018 | 14 cp 0 |
23 Dec 2018 | 14 cp 22 |
24 Dec 2018 | 14 cp 44 |
25 Dec 2018 | 15 cp 6 |
26 Dec 2018 | 15 cp 28 |
27 Dec 2018 | 15 cp 50 |
28 Dec 2018 | 16 cp 12 |
29 Dec 2018 | 16 cp 34 |
30 Dec 2018 | 16 cp 56 |
31 Dec 2018 | 17 cp 18 |
01 Jan 2019 | 17 cp 40 |
02 Jan 2019 | 18 cp 2 |
03 Jan 2019 | 18 cp 25 |
04 Jan 2019 | 18 cp 47 |
05 Jan 2019 | 19 cp 9 |
06 Jan 2019 | 19 cp 31 |
07 Jan 2019 | 19 cp 53 |
08 Jan 2019 | 20 cp 16 |
09 Jan 2019 | 20 cp 38 |
10 Jan 2019 | 21 cp 0 |
11 Jan 2019 | 21 cp 23 |
12 Jan 2019 | 21 cp 45 |
13 Jan 2019 | 22 cp 7 |
14 Jan 2019 | 22 cp 29 |
Crikey, Halina. You know how I feel about asteroids! I don't want to get into a fight about this, and I certainly appreciate all the work you have put into this for me. It's just that the word 'House' is in the English language; what about people who don't speak English? Does that asteroid still signify the concept 'house' in their charts? Is there an asteroid 'Maison' for francophones, and a different one for each language in the world? Come on, that's impossible. I just don't see how this could work.
Having said that for the record, I'll just mention two things. First, I hope it's not true that my House is subject to secret enemies for another 14 years! This isn't fair! That would mean that whether I move or not, this nonsense will continue?! It better not.
And secondly ... there's really no need to point out exactly what age I will be, thank you very much! You're only as old as you feel. ;D
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I got the bright idea to look back at the solar returns for the two times I previously bought homes, in 1995 and 1999. The first time was the first time I ever bought a place, so I wasn't selling a home first. The second time, I sold the condo I'd bought in 1995, and bought my present house.
I'm going to post the chart for the 1999 Solar Return, since that is closest to my present situation (i.e., owning a home which I want to sell, and moving elsewhere); next the chart for the following Solar Return, in 2000. Next, the chart for the 1995 Solar Return, and finally the chart for the Solar Return for the next year, 1996.
Notice that in the Solar Returns for 1999 and 1995, the years I bought homes and moved, both charts have Scorpio rising with Aquarius on the IC, with my Sun conjunct the latter. In the 1999 chart, the Sun is closely conjunct Uranus (major change, disruption) as well, with Mars (action) conjunct the Ascendant, while in the 1995 chart, Mars is in the 10th house opposing the Sun (taking action on moving), which is technically in the 3rd house, but close to the IC. Then, for the immediately following years, both charts have Capricorn rising with the Sun in the 1st house, and Scorpio on the MC. Thus for the only two times in my life that I've sold a place and moved, I had the same significators in the Solar Returns, and the returns for the next year had similarities to each other, including the same signs on the angles.
Going by this, and looking at the Solar Returns for the present year and the next, I'd say I won't be moving, though I'll be making improvements to my current home. Rats.
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The last time Jupiter was in Sagittarius I was still working (and commuting about an hour away)...and seriously considered selling my house and moving close to work; I looked at a number of places...I ended up changing my workplace instead of my home...
Well, since I'm now retired...maybe this time transiting Jupiter, being sextile to my natal 4th house ruler Mercury, will manifest as a change in my home. We'll see; it didn't last time! I did just exactly what I've been doing this time round; lots of looking at homes, ending up with staying put. But again, maybe this time things will be different.
Pamela, so interesting that you also experienced a 'looking for new home' theme the last time Jupiter was transiting here. Thanks for adding on.
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Thanks, pdw.
For anyone interested, I'm going to post my Solar Returns for the current year and the next one, so you can see, if you compare them to the ones for the years when I did move and the following years, that the ones for 2018 and 2019 do not have the significators that the other ones did. Thus I assume I will not be moving. But with Jupiter and Venus bracketing the IC, I would assume I will indeed improve (Jupiter) my home (IC/4th house cusp), make it more attractive and harmonious (Venus), and that this will involve the expenditure of a lot (Jupiter) of money (Venus).
Feel free to prove me wrong; I'd like to move!
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Pam, according to your Jyotisha solar return charts, I'm leaning toward you moving in 2020...
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Hi Pamela, great idea to compare returns and find a common thread. As soon as you posted that 1999 previous move date a bell went off in my head.
From 1999 to the present 2018/2019 is a span of 18.5 years which represent the eclipse cycle in a certain Saros Numbered series of eclipses.
This causes an event such as a move in 1999 to repeat its THEME of moving, 18 5 years later causing you to "want to move" as you say. You might want to bring up the Solar Eclipses in 1999 and compare the Saros Numbers there to the Solar Eclipses in 2018/19 and see if you find a number match.
Then go to Bernadette Brady's book on eclipses and see what she says the THEME is for that series......if you find a match I would expect here theme to say
.....an intense desire to move.
The Eclipse in 1995 belongs to another Saros Series so I would just concentrate on 1999 and the present.
Now back to comparing Solar Returns......first an analysis of the 1999 SR you have provided.
The planet that scores highest for dignity is Mars with a dignity score of +8. And Mars is emphasized being on the Ascendant and aspecting Sun-Uranus
exactly on the cusp of the 4th, real estate, home. Uranus rules the 4th and it conjuncting the 4th definitely suggests moving. Mars also aspets Venus which represent money from sale of home....Venus also in the 4th.
Now let's go to the Feb 5, 2019 Solar Return. The planet with the highes Dignity Score is Jupiter with +10. Jupiiter rules the 4th, home, real estate, is
rulership, strong on an angle and joins Mars-Uranus, in 8th, other people's money for the house, and also joins Sun-Merc, in the 5th. The 5th House is seond House from the 4th of Home, representing money received for home sale. Mercury, rules 1st, representing you being the one geting the money.
STOP: Right away the similarities of SR 1999 and SR 2019 are phenomenal suggesting sale of property and reinforcing your statement "I want to move."
More comparisons on these 2 charts in the next thread.....I have a dental filling appointment at 11:30am so will be away at that time until afternoon.
Thought I'd add these 2 charts side by side for comparison.
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Pam, according to your Jyotisha solar return charts, I'm leaning toward you moving in 2020...
Hi James,
Thanks very much. I hope you're right, as I'd really like to move. I'd have hoped it would be sooner but as I've said, my Solar Returns for this current year and the one upcoming do not have the same significators as did the ones for 1995 and 1999, the only two years in my life when I have bought a place and moved. I know two instances do not a statistical sample make but still, I find it striking that the only two times in my life when this has occurred, my Solar Returns are so similar - not only for the years when I actually moved, but for the following ones as well. I don't believe in coincidence.
So after reading your post I took another look at my tropical Solar Return for 2020. It does not have the same significators as the ones for 1995 and 1999, and the one for the following year doesn't have the same significators as the ones for the years following my moves either.
On the other hand, a case could be made for the Solar Return indicating my selling my home that year, and moving. As you can see if you check out the Solar Return below, Sagittarius is on the Ascendant, and Virgo is on the MC. Jupiter (increase) rules the chart, and it is in the 2nd house (money; security) along with Pluto and Saturn. The latter two are conjunct, but the orb between them and Jupiter is a bit too wide to say that Jupiter is part of the conjunction. But Jupiter is applying to conjunction with Pluto (riches), which could be read as my being on the way to big money (if Pluto has a positive outcome, for once). Saturn (restriction) on its own in the 2nd house, especially being in its own sign of Capricorn, thus doubling the signature, would probably normally be considered a negative significator for finances; but with Jupiter and Pluto there also, and previous to Saturn, I would hope that Saturn being there could have a more positive interpretation, e.g., structuring my finances in a way that leads to financial security.
Jupiter is also in opposition to the Moon (home), which is conjunct the North Node, and they are both in the 8th house (other people's money); thus this could be taken to mean selling my home and doing well financially from the transaction. The Moon and North Node conjunction are also trine Mercury (communication) in the 3rd house (again, communication, plus local travel, neighbours, siblings); this could be taken to mean that I would move to a home within my own town, not far away as I've considered doing, and that there'd be lots of discussion and paperwork involved. The Sun is also in the 3rd house, so even though it's not trine the Moon, everything just stated as applying to Mercury basically applies to the Sun too; after all, it's a Solar Return, so the position of the Sun is the most important factor.
The closest angular contact is Neptune conjunct the IC, in Pisces; this is a double signature for the dissolving of the home - moving? Yet Venus is in the 4th house, thus perhaps beauty and harmony in the new home?
The final thing I'll mention is the position of Uranus (major change, disruption): it's in the 5th house of gambling and/or creativity, sextiling both the conjunction of the Moon and North Node in the 8th house, and Mercury in the 3rd. Well, I guess that's self-explanatory. And the 5th house is ruled by the 1st house Mars (action): taking a gamble. Well, I'll feel that way if I sell this house I've lived in for so long.
It sounds pretty convincing that 2020 could be the year I move. Still, remembering the charts for the years I actually did move, which this chart does not match, I'm not holding my breath; this chart could be interpreted other ways.
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Hi Pamela, great idea to compare returns and find a common thread. As soon as you posted that 1999 previous move date a bell went off in my head.
From 1999 to the present 2018/2019 is a span of 18.5 years which represent the eclipse cycle in a certain Saros Numbered series of eclipses.
This causes an event such as a move in 1999 to repeat its THEME of moving, 18 5 years later causing you to "want to move" as you say. You might want to bring up the Solar Eclipses in 1999 and compare the Saros Numbers there to the Solar Eclipses in 2018/19 and see if you find a number match.
Then go to Bernadette Brady's book on eclipses and see what she says the THEME is for that series......if you find a match I would expect here theme to say
.....an intense desire to move.
The Eclipse in 1995 belongs to another Saros Series so I would just concentrate on 1999 and the present.
Now back to comparing Solar Returns......first an analysis of the 1999 SR you have provided.
The planet that scores highest for dignity is Mars with a dignity score of +8. And Mars is emphasized being on the Ascendant and aspecting Sun-Uranus
exactly on the cusp of the 4th, real estate, home. Uranus rules the 4th and it conjuncting the 4th definitely suggests moving. Mars also aspets Venus which represent money from sale of home....Venus also in the 4th.
Now let's go to the Feb 5, 2019 Solar Return. The planet with the highes Dignity Score is Jupiter with +10. Jupiiter rules the 4th, home, real estate, is
rulership, strong on an angle and joins Mars-Uranus, in 8th, other people's money for the house, and also joins Sun-Merc, in the 5th. The 5th House is seond House from the 4th of Home, representing money received for home sale. Mercury, rules 1st, representing you being the one geting the money.
STOP: Right away the similarities of SR 1999 and SR 2019 are phenomenal suggesting sale of property and reinforcing your statement "I want to move."
More comparisons on these 2 charts in the next thread.....I have a dental filling appointment at 11:30am so will be away at that time until afternoon.
Thought I'd add these 2 charts side by side for comparison.
Thanks very much, Halina. Great idea about the eclipses; I will check that out. As for 2019 being the year I will move, we'll see; I WANT to move, that doesn't necessarily mean I will. The chart doesn't match those of 1999 and 1995, in the respects I've mentioned before, so I just don't know. As I said to James, I know two instances do not a statistical sample make, but I do find it very striking that the charts are so similar for the only two occasions in my life when I have bought a home and moved.
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I will now compare Annual Profection of natal chart to the date of the Solar Return 1999 to the Annual Profection of natal chart to the date of SR 2019.
Annual Profection is progressing a chart 30 degrees per year or 1 sign per year. So ln 12 years the Progressed Ascendant returns to its original position.
Let's not forget that all the planets would also have progressed at a rate of 30 degrees per year.
So let's see where the profected planets would be. Below are two biwheels, the first biwheel shows natal and profected in the outer for the year 1999.
The second chart shows natal and profected outer to date of 2019 Solar Return.
In the second biwheel 2019, Profected, i.e. progressed Asc-Uranus is conjunct natal Sun, ruler natal 3rd, move/movement. In addition, progressed Sun, ruler 3rd, move, is exactly conj the 4th cusp of home, real estate. This suggest a sale, 8th House, is other people's money.
In the 1st biwheel 1999, we have a Grand Trine, progressed Asc-Uranus in Gemini, trines Mars Libra, 4th, home, real estate, trines natal Sun, r3, move, in the 8th, other people's money, ie.real estate sale. Progressed Asc-Uranus also joins Venus,money, ruler of the 5th. 5th is second from 4th, representing money from home sale. Saturn, ruler 8th, other people's money, exactly on the 4th cusp.
STOP: very similar comparison for selling one's home.
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Now a comparison of FIRDARIA periods for 1999 and 2019.
From March 21, 1998 to December 16, 1999 you were in a SATURN/Venus period. Progressed Saturn conjuncts your 4th cusp of home, real estate and trines natal Sun, ruler 3rd, move, in 8th, other people's money for home purchase. Venus, ruler 5th, money from home sale aspects natal Jupiter and prog Jupiter and progressed Saturn-IC. Both benefics touched.
From February 5, 2019 to February 6, 2020, you will be in a MARS/Moon period. Mars contacts prog Mercury, ruler of your 3rd House, moving and also
natal Mercury in the 8th, other people's money. The Moon, rAscc, representing Home and also you, and conjuncts natal Mercury, r3rd, contracts, moving, in
the 8th House of other people's money. Mercury is the natural ruler of contracts, while Moon is natural ruler for home, real estate.
STOP: Similar themes are suggested for both dates, i.e. home, real estate, other people's money, 3rd H., contracts, moving, 4th House, home, real estate.
Question: If you want any more let me know, otherwise I am stopping here. Thanx for the example and the chance to study this question of yours.
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Thank you so much, Halina, for all the work you have done here. I'm going to have to study your last two posts for a while to take it all in, because annual profections and the firdaria are not a part of my normal astrological toolkit; I'm familiar with them, of course, but they were not part of my training and so I'm not well versed in their use.
Looking at that first chart you posted, I'm certainly struck by the position of the Sun, bang on my natal IC/4th house cusp (home). And the position of profected Uranus, exactly conjunct the profected Ascendant in Aquarius, conjunct natal Sun/Mercury in the natal 8th house (money from others; transformation), is again quite suggestive. I'm just confused as to whether this chart is for 1999 or 2019; both charts you've posted have the exact same positions, but from your discussion it sounds like they are both the chart for 2019, and the 1999 one is not there. I'd appreciate it if you could clarify this, and repost the other chart. (I'm a visual learner; it helps to see the chart!)
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Now a comparison of FIRDARIA periods for 1999 and 2019.
From March 21, 1998 to December 16, 1999 you were in a SATURN/Venus period. Progressed Saturn conjuncts your 4th cusp of home, real estate and trines natal Sun, ruler 3rd, move, in 8th, other people's money for home purchase. Venus, ruler 5th, money from home sale aspects natal Jupiter and prog Jupiter and progressed Saturn-IC. Both benefics touched.
From February 5, 2019 to February 6, 2020, you will be in a MARS/Moon period. Mars contacts prog Mercury, ruler of your 3rd House, moving and also
natal Mercury in the 8th, other people's money. The Moon, rAscc, representing Home and also you, and conjuncts natal Mercury, r3rd, contracts, moving, in
the 8th House of other people's money. Mercury is the natural ruler of contracts, while Moon is natural ruler for home, real estate.
STOP: Similar themes are suggested for both dates, i.e. home, real estate, other people's money, 3rd H., contracts, moving, 4th House, home, real estate.
Question: If you want any more let me know, otherwise I am stopping here. Thanx for the example and the chance to study this question of yours.
I did a little experimentation with the firdaria some years back, when my Solar Fire program was still working; sometimes they seemed to work spectacularly well, and other times not so much. So for me the jury is out on this one. But I certainly appreciate all the work you did here, Halina; thank you so much. There's certainly no need to do anything more; you've already done way more than anything I anticipated. Thank you!
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Hi Pamela, thank you, glad you got some insights.....I also learned a lot by refreshing on Solar Returns. Thanx again for the example.
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Whether you move or stay put you will be dealing with transiting Saturn and Pluto squaring your natal Neptune and your progressed Sun and Neptune in 2019.
It may have to do with repairs you undertake, a condition of a new property not discovered until after it is purchased, personal health, or what I think may be a worldwide financial crash that will affect almost everyone.
Would you rather deal with those transits in a new property you have no history with or sit tight until those transits pass?
As always, I wish you the best.
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Ouch, Bob. 'A worldwide financial crash'? I hope not. If you seriously think that's probable, maybe I'd be better to stay put. It will probably be less expensive, and less stressful, to stay put than to deal with moving and living in a new home that I'm not familiar with.
I also really, really hope it doesn't have to do with personal health. So far I'm fine, knock on wood. But looking ahead to my Solar Returns for 2021 and 2022, I'm concerned that a major health problem may be coming up.
There's certainly a lot of Neptune involved, one way and another, which in my experience is never a good thing. Transiting Neptune alone, hanging over my natal MC ... yuck. The main reason I would really like to get out of here is because I've become almost positive that unless I leave this house, I will never get away from whoever is sticking it to me, and they don't play fair, to put it mildly. You just have no idea the stuff that's gone on. I'm getting kind of scared, much good it does me.
Anyway, thank you so much for posting the chart, and giving your thoughts on my situation. I really appreciate it. Always glad to hear from you!
Best regards,
Pam
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Hi Pam, Bob may be right......read this.....https://www.star4cast.com/planetary-power-shifts-point-to-major-changes-ahead/
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This answer is based on the time that the question was asked and understood by me. Chart attached.
You are Mercury in the 7th (4th from the 4th) in Sagittarius. Your current home is the 4th. Sun in Capricorn in the 7th. Mercury in the 7th = angular =strong but also in its detriment. Means that moving would somehow be detrimental in some way. 7th house is ruled by Jupiter which is in Sagittarius says that may be you will not be able to afford a comparable house to what you already live in. Moon in the 2nd in Cancer says that changing (Moon) the location of your home (Cancer) may be more expensive than your pockets can bear for another home that you would really value/like (second house). The house that you live in has good bones. Ruled by the Sun in Capricorn and is also at Aries Point of Degree which says to me your current home could be made to shine and something that you really like with updating. If I pick you up and put you back in the 4th (your current home) you are in better condition as well by essential dignity and debility. Sun in the 7th applying to a conjunction toward Saturn in the 8th(loans) says that maybe you might stay where you are and are in good shape to get a loan for the repairs to update your home and make it more pleasing to your taste. The cat dilemma is shown by Mars ruling the 6th in Pisces (water behind your house being a threat to your pet cats because it draws coyotes. Venus in Scorpio in the 6th, ruling the 12th (large enclosure) and intercepted (Libra)in the 5th says that you see your cats as your kids and a possible way out is to keep them indoors or build a secure safety fence/cage/catwalk that they can safely venture into out doors. That expense being included in the remodel loans. The horary says you have a choice but your best and most sound options is to stay put and update.
Al
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Hi Pam, Bob may be right......read this.....https://www.star4cast.com/planetary-power-shifts-point-to-major-changes-ahead/
Hi Halina,
Thanks for the link; very sobering reading.
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This answer is based on the time that the question was asked and understood by me. Chart attached.
You are Mercury in the 7th (4th from the 4th) in Sagittarius. Your current home is the 4th. Sun in Capricorn in the 7th. Mercury in the 7th = angular =strong but also in its detriment. Means that moving would somehow be detrimental in some way. 7th house is ruled by Jupiter which is in Sagittarius says that may be you will not be able to afford a comparable house to what you already live in. Moon in the 2nd in Cancer says that changing (Moon) the location of your home (Cancer) may be more expensive than your pockets can bear for another home that you would really value/like (second house). The house that you live in has good bones. Ruled by the Sun in Capricorn and is also at Aries Point of Degree which says to me your current home could be made to shine and something that you really like with updating. If I pick you up and put you back in the 4th (your current home) you are in better condition as well by essential dignity and debility. Sun in the 7th applying to a conjunction toward Saturn in the 8th(loans) says that maybe you might stay where you are and are in good shape to get a loan for the repairs to update your home and make it more pleasing to your taste. The cat dilemma is shown by Mars ruling the 6th in Pisces (water behind your house being a threat to your pet cats because it draws coyotes. Venus in Scorpio in the 6th, ruling the 12th (large enclosure) and intercepted (Libra)in the 5th says that you see your cats as your kids and a possible way out is to keep them indoors or build a secure safety fence/cage/catwalk that they can safely venture into out doors. That expense being included in the remodel loans. The horary says you have a choice but your best and most sound options is to stay put and update.
Al
Hi Al,
Thank you so much for this; very interesting! Pretty well everything you say seems right on; having said that, I'm wondering if some things you mentioned couldn't be interpreted differently. Now, I'm not experienced in horary, so please bear that in mind. But, for example, you say that I'm represented by Mercury which is in the 7th house, angular, thus strong, but in detriment, and that this means that moving would be detrimental in some way. Why does it mean that? Could it not mean that my present location is detrimental? Because that's sure true. And I notice that Mercury is closely squaring Neptune; again, I would have thought this would mean that my present position is shaky, subject to deceit.
Well, regardless, I greatly enjoyed reading your interpretation; I really appreciate your taking a look at my situation and giving me your opinion. Maybe I should look into horary more!
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Pam,
Like you, with Mercury in detriment in the 7th square Neptune, i would just read that as that you are unsure or in two minds, which is why you are seeking anothers thoughts on the subject.
But i am not well versed in horary.
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"Mercury in detriment in the 7th" could also translate as "Mercury, phone calls, in detriment, abusive in nature, from 7th House enemies square Neptune, secretly, without exposing themselves"......."that's why I want to move. I 'm considering selling because, as some of you may remember, I'm apparently being made the target of harassment by some person or persons unknown, whose hobby seems to be making my life difficult."
4th House is her present home.....4th, from the 4th, is 7th House, which represent Pam's next Home, or 2nd Home, while 4th from 7th, is 10th, which would represent the 3rd Home she has ever owned.
Jupiter in Saittarius, rules her 7th, 2nd Home, and Jupiter is in rulership, indicating this next home she moves to will be safe and she will be strong
in this home. This is true if her next home, is the 2nd home she has ever owned. However, if her next move, buys a home which is the 3rd home she's ever owned, then the ruler of the 10th House(3rd Home ever owned) is ruled by Uranus on the 12th cusp, with Black Moon Lilith on 10th cusp. Uranus also trines Eris, angry female, and squares the Nodal axis, other people....not so good a move.
So if I were Pam, I would ask myself is this the first Home I have ever owned? Is my next Home, my second or my 3rd Home???
Rex Bills, says remodelling is ruled by Uranus. Uranus, remodelling, trines Sun, ruler of 4th, Home, and Sun conjuncts Part of Fortune, so remodelling could add cash to the selling price.
When I bought my first home, I was unemployed, but parents supplied the cash, back in 1972, houses were cheap, but didn't really like it....was a small bungalow, I was just married no kids. 6 months later, employed, bought my second and final home. Aries on my 7th(second Home) ruled by Mars in 5th, had 2 kids here, and this Mars sextiles my natal Sun with no bad aspects to Mars, explaining why I have lived in my 2nd Home since 1974.
My first home, represented by Capricorn 4th, ruler, Saturn, cadent in 6th of work, trine Pluto anaretic in 10th. Depressed here and desire to keep up with Joneses and friends. So put money down on new one and sold old one.
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There are 2 major Solar Eclipses in 2019. See chart below. First, a Total Solar Eclipse, July 2, 2019, AT 10Cn37, falls exactly on your Asc-Uranus and opposes natal Venus, in your 7th House, representing the second Home owned during your lifetime.
A second Solar Eclipse, 4Cp07. This late December 2019 Capricorn Eclipse is in a Saros Series associated with sudden endings. It falls in your 6th House, close to 7th. This Eclipse widely opposes natal Asc-Uranus and conjuncts Venus, 7th, second Home owned in lifetime. Orb of 6 degrees. Eclipses are activated 3 months before the eclipse and 3 months after.
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from 7th House enemies square Neptune, secretly, without exposing themselves
That's a good way to put it. Open enemies who are hidden in this particular case -- in other words you know they're your enemies, but you can't prove that they're the ones who are doing this particular thing.
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Pam,
Like you, with Mercury in detriment in the 7th square Neptune, i would just read that as that you are unsure or in two minds, which is why you are seeking anothers thoughts on the subject.
But i am not well versed in horary.
Thanks, Robynne. I'm not well versed in horary either, and I'm beginning to think I had better become so.
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"Mercury in detriment in the 7th" could also translate as "Mercury, phone calls, in detriment, abusive in nature, from 7th House enemies square Neptune, secretly, without exposing themselves"......."that's why I want to move. I 'm considering selling because, as some of you may remember, I'm apparently being made the target of harassment by some person or persons unknown, whose hobby seems to be making my life difficult."
4th House is her present home.....4th, from the 4th, is 7th House, which represent Pam's next Home, or 2nd Home, while 4th from 7th, is 10th, which would represent the 3rd Home she has ever owned.
Jupiter in Saittarius, rules her 7th, 2nd Home, and Jupiter is in rulership, indicating this next home she moves to will be safe and she will be strong
in this home. This is true if her next home, is the 2nd home she has ever owned. However, if her next move, buys a home which is the 3rd home she's ever owned, then the ruler of the 10th House(3rd Home ever owned) is ruled by Uranus on the 12th cusp, with Black Moon Lilith on 10th cusp. Uranus also trines Eris, angry female, and squares the Nodal axis, other people....not so good a move.
So if I were Pam, I would ask myself is this the first Home I have ever owned? Is my next Home, my second or my 3rd Home???
Rex Bills, says remodelling is ruled by Uranus. Uranus, remodelling, trines Sun, ruler of 4th, Home, and Sun conjuncts Part of Fortune, so remodelling could add cash to the selling price.
When I bought my first home, I was unemployed, but parents supplied the cash, back in 1972, houses were cheap, but didn't really like it....was a small bungalow, I was just married no kids. 6 months later, employed, bought my second and final home. Aries on my 7th(second Home) ruled by Mars in 5th, had 2 kids here, and this Mars sextiles my natal Sun with no bad aspects to Mars, explaining why I have lived in my 2nd Home since 1974.
My first home, represented by Capricorn 4th, ruler, Saturn, cadent in 6th of work, trine Pluto anaretic in 10th. Depressed here and desire to keep up with Joneses and friends. So put money down on new one and sold old one.
Well, Halina, my present home is the second home I've owned; thus if I sell it and buy another one, that will be my third. So according to what you're saying, this means that moving would not be such a good idea. I agree that the idea of Uranus ruling the new home doesn't thrill me, though personally I'd read it as being in the 11th house, not the 12th, which wouldn't be as bad; still, it does square the nodes. But if I stay where I am, I'll certainly be doing remodelling; even if I end up moving, I'll still be doing some remodelling here - and you say Uranus rules remodelling? Cripes, I'm about ready to tear my hair out.
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There are 2 major Solar Eclipses in 2019. See chart below. First, a Total Solar Eclipse, July 2, 2019, AT 10Cn37, falls exactly on your Asc-Uranus and opposes natal Venus, in your 7th House, representing the second Home owned during your lifetime.
A second Solar Eclipse, 4Cp07. This late December 2019 Capricorn Eclipse is in a Saros Series associated with sudden endings. It falls in your 6th House, close to 7th. This Eclipse widely opposes natal Asc-Uranus and conjuncts Venus, 7th, second Home owned in lifetime. Orb of 6 degrees. Eclipses are activated 3 months before the eclipse and 3 months after.
So, Halina, could I ask you to please spell out exactly what effect you think those eclipses will have on me? The last time I had a total solar eclipse hit my Ascendant and Uranus, it was very, very bad news.
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Hi Pamela, Rex Bills book "The Rulership Book" assigns redecorating to Uranus.
Same Saros Series eclipses relive similar incidents in 18.5 year increments. Presently, we are in the year 2018, so if we subtract 18 years, we are back to the year 2000, possibly in the range 1999-2001. So you would have to recall what major event happened back than as being a recurring theme in the present.
Checking Eclipses back then, there were 2 occurring around the same time:
1. Feb 5, 2000, a Solar Eclipse, 16Aq02 conj your natal Sun on the 9th cusp.
2. July 1, 2000, a Solar Eclipse, 10Cancer14 conj your Asc-Uranus.
Only you know what happened 3months before or after these dates.
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Hi Pamela Young,
"...Mercury which is in the 7th house, angular, thus strong, but in detriment, and that this means that moving would be detrimental in some way. Why does it mean that?"
When you are doing Horary there is a chart called essential dignity and debility. Mercury being angular=accidental dignity meaning you have the power to act upon your situation even if you choose not to. In the chart of essential dignity and debility a planet (in this case) in the sign opposite the one in which it rules=it is in its detriment. Mercury in this case is your significator=in this chart it represents you. When an astrologer answers a Horary it takes a collection of the information gathered using what are called strictures to come up with an answer. This is what I have done for you. Horary is not etched in stone but it does give enough information so that you can make an informed choice. When you have an answer to the question asked, it is advised to stop. What the detriment is could be many things. Horary should be asked from the client to the astrologer for this very reason. Astrology is not a performance art. If you were my client I would be on the phone with you figuring out what that "detriment" amounts up to. Maybe you have mobility problems and a new home might have lots of stairs or there could be contractual issues, etc. Those issues could only be "teased" out with talking to you. Also, I don't use the outer planets unless they are screaming to be read. Neptune squaring you simple says you are confused about what to do, thus you've asked a Horary. It is NOT needed to answer the question you asked which is what we should always stick to>>>>answering the question asked. That is one of the strictures>>>STICK TO THE QUESTION BEING ASKED! Also, the 4th is your current home, 4th from the 4th=7th is the home you are thinking of moving to. This has nothing to do with how many homes you have purchased or lived in before you asked this question to the Horary.
I find the Horary to be one of the most intriguing branches of astrology after Solar Arc theory. Good luck with your studies.
Al
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Here's an interesting technique....Homes are ruled by Moon, Cancer and the 4th House. We divide your life into 3 parts and assigen your 3 triplicity rulers to the 3 stages of life. Your chart is diurnal with Sun above the horizon, thus your 3 triplicity rulers for a water Moon are Venus, Mars and Moon.
Meaning during the first third of life,, around 0 to 30, home was defined by Venus, which in your chart is in a cardinal Grand Cross...
(Venus opp Uranus) square (Jupiter opp Saturn). Houses 1,7, 4 and 10 involved., Sun, in money axis, joins Saturn in the Grand Cross.
The second triplicity ruler for home is Mars, during age 31 to 60+. This describes your next home purchased during this time period. In your chart
Mars is in your 5th and receives aspects from Mercury, 8th, and Asc-Uranus.
You are now in your last third of life,, and home, homelife is ruled by the last triplicity ruler Moon. Moon in your chart is strong, angular and in rulership oc Cancer. This Moon receives no negative aspects. Uranus, remodelling, is conjunct this Moon ....suggesting you will remodel during this periof of life, age 61 to
90+.
Libra is on the cusp of the 4th ruled by Venus in Capricorn, an earth sign. The 3 triplicity rulers for earth in a day birth are....Venus, Moon and Mars.
You are now in your last third of life so let's look at Mars in further describing HOME. Mars in 5th describes creative decorating. Aspected by 8th house Mercury, perhaps a loan to finance this decorating to pay for improvements.
Libra on your 4th is an Air sign, so for a day birth, your 3 triplicity rulers are Saturn(age 0 to 30), Mercury and Jupiter(Age 61 to 90+). In your chart
Jupiter, in 10th, in a cardinal T-square, opp Saturn, 4th, ruler 5th, creativity. both squaring, Asc-Uranus, remodelling, opposite Venus, beautification in the 7th,
contractor partner. Venus rules 4th of HOME. 7th could also be seen as your second Home ever.
STOP: this all suggests staying put in your 2nd ever home and remodelling it. This technique uses Whole House System and has been tested in Homes, Love, Health in numerous cases and found to be very accurate. Sources: used by Dr H, Bernadette Brady and Joseph Crane.
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Hi Pamela Young,
"...Mercury which is in the 7th house, angular, thus strong, but in detriment, and that this means that moving would be detrimental in some way. Why does it mean that?"
When you are doing Horary there is a chart called essential dignity and debility. Mercury being angular=accidental dignity meaning you have the power to act upon your situation even if you choose not to. In the chart of essential dignity and debility a planet (in this case) in the sign opposite the one in which it rules=it is in its detriment. Mercury in this case is your significator=in this chart it represents you. When an astrologer answers a Horary it takes a collection of the information gathered using what are called strictures to come up with an answer. This is what I have done for you. Horary is not etched in stone but it does give enough information so that you can make an informed choice. When you have an answer to the question asked, it is advised to stop. What the detriment is could be many things. Horary should be asked from the client to the astrologer for this very reason. Astrology is not a performance art. If you were my client I would be on the phone with you figuring out what that "detriment" amounts up to. Maybe you have mobility problems and a new home might have lots of stairs or there could be contractual issues, etc. Those issues could only be "teased" out with talking to you. Also, I don't use the outer planets unless they are screaming to be read. Neptune squaring you simple says you are confused about what to do, thus you've asked a Horary. It is NOT needed to answer the question you asked which is what we should always stick to>>>>answering the question asked. That is one of the strictures>>>STICK TO THE QUESTION BEING ASKED! Also, the 4th is your current home, 4th from the 4th=7th is the home you are thinking of moving to. This has nothing to do with how many homes you have purchased or lived in before you asked this question to the Horary.
I find the Horary to be one of the most intriguing branches of astrology after Solar Arc theory. Good luck with your studies.
Al
Hi Al,
Thank you so much for the additional information. In the past I've chosen never to look further into horary because, frankly, it smacked to me of magic, and that put me off. Astrologers seem to lean in one of two directions: towards magic, or towards science, and I am among the latter. I've just always felt that if astrology works, and there is no question that it does, then it should be possible to explain it scientifically. Horary just felt like something from astrology's past that deserved to be discarded, like its connection with alchemy.
But you've definitely piqued my interest, so I think I'm going to check it out more. I'm going to look into taking a course, like Deborah Houlding's or Chris Brennan's. Meanwhile, thank you again for looking at my situation, and applying the techniques you use to it. We'll see what happens.
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Here's an interesting technique....Homes are ruled by Moon, Cancer and the 4th House. We divide your life into 3 parts and assigen your 3 triplicity rulers to the 3 stages of life. Your chart is diurnal with Sun above the horizon, thus your 3 triplicity rulers for a water Moon are Venus, Mars and Moon.
Meaning during the first third of life,, around 0 to 30, home was defined by Venus, which in your chart is in a cardinal Grand Cross...
(Venus opp Uranus) square (Jupiter opp Saturn). Houses 1,7, 4 and 10 involved., Sun, in money axis, joins Saturn in the Grand Cross.
The second triplicity ruler for home is Mars, during age 31 to 60+. This describes your next home purchased during this time period. In your chart
Mars is in your 5th and receives aspects from Mercury, 8th, and Asc-Uranus.
You are now in your last third of life,, and home, homelife is ruled by the last triplicity ruler Moon. Moon in your chart is strong, angular and in rulership oc Cancer. This Moon receives no negative aspects. Uranus, remodelling, is conjunct this Moon ....suggesting you will remodel during this periof of life, age 61 to
90+.
Libra is on the cusp of the 4th ruled by Venus in Capricorn, an earth sign. The 3 triplicity rulers for earth in a day birth are....Venus, Moon and Mars.
You are now in your last third of life so let's look at Mars in further describing HOME. Mars in 5th describes creative decorating. Aspected by 8th house Mercury, perhaps a loan to finance this decorating to pay for improvements.
Libra on your 4th is an Air sign, so for a day birth, your 3 triplicity rulers are Saturn(age 0 to 30), Mercury and Jupiter(Age 61 to 90+). In your chart
Jupiter, in 10th, in a cardinal T-square, opp Saturn, 4th, ruler 5th, creativity. both squaring, Asc-Uranus, remodelling, opposite Venus, beautification in the 7th,
contractor partner. Venus rules 4th of HOME. 7th could also be seen as your second Home ever.
STOP: this all suggests staying put in your 2nd ever home and remodelling it. This technique uses Whole House System and has been tested in Homes, Love, Health in numerous cases and found to be very accurate. Sources: used by Dr H, Bernadette Brady and Joseph Crane.
Hmm ... well, interesting, Halina. At this point I have to admit, I'm more confused than anything. I think I may end up putting astrology aside and just go along and see what happens. It'll probably be easier to figure out what worked after the fact.