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Offline Pamela Young

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Fired!
« on: July 03, 2018, 05:42:02 PM »
My niece, who just turned 25 on June 18, was let go from her job on June 25, first thing in the morning, about 9 a.m.  It was one week shy of what would have been her three month anniversary there, i.e., the end of her probationary period.  It was her first real job, which had taken her a long time to get, and she loved it.  She had just had her first performance review about two weeks previously, and it was glowing; it was at a meeting with three of her bosses, and they could not have been more pleased with her work, and told her she was now officially a member of their marketing team, and put her to work on two films (she worked for a big company that produces and markets movies, TV shows, etc.  She was working in the film division, in the marketing department). 

She is devastated, understandably.  What really bugs her is that she was given no reason for why she was being let go; she was called into the head of Marketing's office first thing that morning and told that they were going to have to let her go, and when she, in total shock, asked why, she was told "It's just not working out," and that nothing else could be said about it.  Then she was passed over to the Human Resources person, who went to what had been my niece's office to retrieve the few personal belongings she had there; she wasn't even allowed to go back to the office to get her things.  And then she was escorted out!

All this after, as I said, having received a wonderful performance review, and just generally knowing that everyone was very happy with her work.  She was supposed to have spent the week doing all the print ads for the films one of her colleagues was responsible for, because she was going on vacation, so obviously they trusted her and thought she could do the job - this after not even three months!  She often worked very late, she went in on weekends, she could not have given more to the place - and then, out of the clear blue sky, good-bye!

Her parents consulted their lawyer about the situation, and he advised them not to pursue any legal action against the company, because since the probationary period wasn't over, the company was breaking no laws - they were not required to give any reason for why they were letting her go.  He said (and other knowledgeable people agreed with him) that it was most likely because of budgetary concerns; he said that the end of June is budget time and if a department is over budget, they very often cut the most junior person - that gives them the money they need.  Or else it could be political within the department.  Anyway, he said they've done nothing illegal, and that companies do this all the time.

My poor niece is crushed.  She was extremely embarrassed, though we all told her she has absolutely no reason to be; she worked like a dog for them and did a wonderful job, and she knows they knew it.  But now she's back to Square One, unemployed and looking for a job, and they're not easy to find when you majored in Theatre Arts.  She finally got a job, all on her own, with no help from anybody, no knowing someone in the business, just her proven capabilities ... and now she has to start all over.

I feel horrible that I didn't see this coming.  I was as thrilled as everyone else when she got the job, and I guess I was so happy and relieved that she'd finally gotten a genuine, permanent position (with benefits!) that I didn't want to see any flies in the ointment.  I gave her a dozen long-stemmed red roses and heaved a sigh of relief that she'd finally found permanent employment.

If anybody has any comments on why this happened, and/or her future job prospects, I'd sure appreciate them; I'm so upset and angry I can't think straight.  I am attaching two charts, that of my niece with the transits for the day it happened (which are for midnight), and that of the event itself, at 9:00 a.m.

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2018, 01:41:05 AM »
Hi Pam, thanks for sharing, and this brings back similar type memories for me, so I can certainly empathize with your niece and family during this time.

When something significant like this happens to someone, it's always seen in their Vedic charts.  And this, unfortunately, is no exception.

I won't go into specific details other than to say that if one looks at her Chara Dasha, and then at her D1, D9, D10, and D60 charts, it is clearly seen.

But perhaps the most striking astrological indicator is transiting Mercury at 9 AM on June 25, 2018.  At this time, transiting Mercury, ruler of her 12th House of Loss in her Jyotisha birth chart, was at 00 Cancer 01, which placed it in her 10th House of profession or job...i.e., loss of job.  Just a half hour earlier, around 8:30 AM, it was still transiting in her 9th House.

A secondary and strongly corroborating factor was transiting Ketu (South Node) at 12 Capricorn 07 (True Nodes, sidereal zodiac, Lahiri ayanamsha).  It therefore was closely malefically aspecting natal Jupiter at 11 Virgo 27 in her 12th House of Loss, and Jupiter rules her 6th House of service.

Perhaps another job will surface between July 9 and July 28, give or take a few days, depending upon her actual Jyotisha birth time, since I have done no rectification here.

I'm sure your encouragement and confidence in her will be greatly appreciated by her during this time as she searches for that open door to her next place of employment...

Best wishes to her, you, and your family during this time....







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Re: Fired!
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2018, 04:13:49 AM »
That was a caring and thoughtful response James... Hi five!

Pam I see where your trouble of "not seeing" reflecting your niece's experiencing of what it's like to have "blind spots" in development, like we all do/did at one time or another. Don't feel bad. It's not your fault and its not your niece's fault. It's really just a learning opportunity. An opportunity to SEE better perhaps...

Saturn quindecile Sun/Moon  I don't often consider quindeciles and midpoints together but this one is suspect eh? At the root of it there is suggested a weakening of the system according to Noel and with the obsessive attention paid by this aspect a further suggestion of aggravation and pain in the tearing away and separation...

Uranus square Mercury/MC  Your niece is certainly forced into a position of "formulating new objectives" but this midpoint doesn't provide much in the way of answering why the last door was closed other than describing sudden develops that pique her motivation.

Neptune square Mercury/Venus  Looking a bit deeper into matters we see how Neptune can often times be the culprit in our own blurry vision, providing "blind spots" where we "don't see it coming" because of our own bias to sort and see what we want to see. We either "delude ourselves" or do not see the deception at hand which occurs at our own expense (not discriminating in business when working with unscrupulous actors for example, or more benignly a conspiracy of circumstance that is nothing personal) either or, or both.

With the transit of Pluto to her natal Neptune-Uranus opposed Mercury there is a wide band of potential for your Niece to bring her determination to the fore in a powerful way. But upset and how she frames 'reality' needs to be understood as building blocks along the way to her higher purpose (if she has one). This can take time to unfold.

I like what James had to offer in terms of a new offer (Job) just around the corner... I think that's a really smart idea to share especially in the midst of pain and adjustment. I hope that advice is true... AND perhaps it is but I would think too that it may only be another "job"... with potentially some variation on the theme of your niece finding her footing... I would look to her opportunities 2 years from now where she changes direction decisively in such a way as to get her feet on more solid ground and a path more amenable to her temperament and goals.

Pluto catches up to Uranus and Uranus clips the descendant... I wonder what she envisions for herself and how her aunt can help elicit from her the gumption to aim high and go for it... starting now... in an incremental and determined way? Ask her to picture her goal but also to imagine the obstacles along the way... however it is important to not just imagine the obstacles by themselves as static blockades of sorts, she also needs to imagine the solution or anticipate getting through those obstacles... studies indicate that goal setting and vision work is dramatically increased when we anticipate obstacles and what we'll do about them in advance than when we just imagine and visualize success or achievement alone. This tiny adjustment sets the "frame of reality' with proper and more realistic expectations. Many "self-help" approaches leave this minute, but significant step out.


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Re: Fired!
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2018, 06:03:31 AM »
That’s awful, Pamela, I feel so bad for your niece. Pretty hard to get back into job-hunting after a blow like that, I imagine. Coming during T Saturn squaring her natal N Jupiter, I can see that square’s possibilities, both positive and negative, reflected in her experience. Sounds like she enjoyed being challenged and learning a lot (at the start of her job, in April, the square was triggered by T Mars conjunct T Saturn) and now she’s out (unsuccessful) despite her good attitude and excellent effort. But no, I wouldn’t have thought about being fired, based on that.

I’m sure she was a great young hire and now she’s learned that some things are out of a young hire’s control (like budget cuts) which must be extra hard on her self-empowering Scorpio MC and natal 1st House Pluto. With fair-minded Libra on her 12th House and its ruler, Venus, highlighted on June 25 (with her SP Moon conjunct N Venus and T Venus triggering conjunct-square her MC and natal Venus) I bet she will be especially kind and considerate of others if she ever has to fire anyone in her future.

Obviously, after the fact, we can see outer planet themes afoot – a devastating end (life-changing Pluto); a confusing, unexplained loss (irrational Neptune); a totally unexpected disruption (unpredictable Uranus). All three are referenced in the first possibility that crossed my mind: Could your niece’s firing be related to an early triggering – by T Mercury at 23 Cancer, on June 25 – of the July 12 eclipse, at 21 Cancer? Her chart does look like she may be personally and significantly impacted by this eclipse, with her natal Mercury (22 Cancer) opposing transiting Pluto (20 Capricorn) conjunct her natal Neptune and Uranus (Capricorn 20 and 21, respectively).   

I’m not that well-versed in solar returns, but because this happened so close to her birthday maybe her solar return would be instructive. Might get time to take take a look at that and coming prospects later.

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2018, 06:16:35 AM »
Hi Pam.  How incredibly disturbing for your young niece.  And what ass holes they are.  I hope lots of people let her know how common this is, etc.  I didn’t try to look for any solar arcs right now, but what really stands out in the western astrology is the Pluto transit opposite to her Mercury, conjunct the Uranus-Neptune set.  That is a big “developmental tension in her life” which is being triggered right now in a powerful way....a hard knock in life.  So...this may be way off base, but I can’t help saying that because her Mercury also rules her 8th house that it possibly could be related to the company’s desire to employ people who are familiar and comfortable with lots of sexual shenanigans at work.  Film industry has not turned the corner on that one yet.  Maybe she will say no, that wasn’t it, but there are subliminal things she might not have picked up on, being the hard worker she is.  I remember an interview I had one time in my life where the owner of the company almost came out and said that if I wanted to work there I had to be a loose party person because everybody else was one.  So, just a brief thought....but it will be something to do with her Mercury situation. 

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2018, 07:53:41 AM »
I like what James had to offer in terms of a new offer (Job) just around the corner... I think that's a really smart idea to share especially in the midst of pain and adjustment. I hope that advice is true... AND perhaps it is but I would think too that it may only be another "job"... with potentially some variation on the theme of your niece finding her footing... I would look to her opportunities 2 years from now where she changes direction decisively in such a way as to get her feet on more solid ground and a path more amenable to her temperament and goals.
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Yes, Tim is picking up on what I didn't go into great elaboration on--if a job does open up for her here in July--and I used the word "job" deliberately in my original post--it may not be as Pam put it...a "real" job.  But something more along the lines of a stopgap.

I also should have elaborated a bit more on her Chara Dasha...this is what I was looking at in reference to my comment above...one can see it as per her Virgo and Libra Deha-antardasha...

Chara dasa of K.N.Rao (modified version of a phalita rasi dasa):

 Cp MD: 2014-06-18 (6:38:50 pm) - 2025-06-18 (10:35:07 am)
  Le AD: 2018-02-16 (11:57:35 pm) - 2019-01-17 (7:17:17 pm)
   Cp PD: 2018-06-08 (2:24:09 pm) - 2018-07-06 (12:00:48 pm)
    Ta SD: 2018-06-24 (9:00:32 pm) - 2018-06-27 (4:48:35 am)
     Aq PAD: 2018-06-25 (6:18:32 am) - 2018-06-25 (10:57:32 am)

      Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

      Pi: 2018-06-25 (6:18:32 am) - 2018-06-25 (6:41:47 am)
      Ar: 2018-06-25 (6:41:47 am) - 2018-06-25 (7:05:02 am)
      Ta: 2018-06-25 (7:05:02 am) - 2018-06-25 (7:28:17 am)
      Ge: 2018-06-25 (7:28:17 am) - 2018-06-25 (7:51:32 am)
      Cn: 2018-06-25 (7:51:32 am) - 2018-06-25 (8:14:47 am)
      Le: 2018-06-25 (8:14:47 am) - 2018-06-25 (8:38:02 am)
      Vi: 2018-06-25 (8:38:02 am) - 2018-06-25 (9:01:17 am)
      Li: 2018-06-25 (9:01:17 am) - 2018-06-25 (9:24:32 am)
      Sc: 2018-06-25 (9:24:32 am) - 2018-06-25 (9:47:47 am)
      Sg: 2018-06-25 (9:47:47 am) - 2018-06-25 (10:11:02 am)
      Cp: 2018-06-25 (10:11:02 am) - 2018-06-25 (10:34:17 am)
      Aq: 2018-06-25 (10:34:17 am) - 2018-06-25 (10:57:32 am)

Additionally, her Jyotisha annual solar return chart does look very promising for a new job during the next twelve months...



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Re: Fired!
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2018, 08:14:22 AM »
Hi James,

Thank you so much for your observations.  I've been looking at my niece's Vedic chart in an effort to better understand your comments; I must say, they certainly do seem to account for her losing her job more definitively than anything happening in the tropical zodiac.  Sigh - not for the first time, I'm thinking maybe I'm using the wrong zodiac.  I guess I just feel, frankly, too old to start all over with a totally different system.

I'm very glad to hear that you think she may get another job fairly soon; even if it's not a 'real' job, at this point anything would be helpful.  I had also thought, even before she lost her job, that in a year and a half to two she'd be liable to find a still better position; I had figured it would most likely be a promotion within her present company.  I forget offhand what I saw in the astrology that caused me to think that, but it might have been transiting Jupiter opposing her natal Sun; I've noticed that often, with that transit, people attain a major career success.

Thanks again, James; much appreciated.


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Re: Fired!
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2018, 08:21:07 AM »
Hi HVA,

Thank you very much for your comments.  I hadn't looked at her midpoints yet, so thanks for that ... very interesting observations.  The thing I had noticed was the transit of Pluto conjoining her Uranus and Neptune in the 3rd house, opposing her Mercury; but I must admit, I didn't foresee it causing her to lose her job, certainly not on that particular day.  As it happens, transiting Saturn will be squaring her Jupiter exact tomorrow; if that transit had occurred on June 25, I could better understand what happened.  Oh well, I guess I should chalk it up to experience and carry on. 

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2018, 08:31:56 AM »
Hi James,

Thank you so much for your observations.  I've been looking at my niece's Vedic chart in an effort to better understand your comments; I must say, they certainly do seem to account for her losing her job more definitively than anything happening in the tropical zodiac.  Sigh - not for the first time, I'm thinking maybe I'm using the wrong zodiac.  I guess I just feel, frankly, too old to start all over with a totally different system.

I'm very glad to hear that you think she may get another job fairly soon; even if it's not a 'real' job, at this point anything would be helpful.  I had also thought, even before she lost her job, that in a year and a half to two she'd be liable to find a still better position; I had figured it would most likely be a promotion within her present company.  I forget offhand what I saw in the astrology that caused me to think that, but it might have been transiting Jupiter opposing her natal Sun; I've noticed that often, with that transit, people attain a major career success.

Thanks again, James; much appreciated.

Pam, you're very welcome.  And while I know that Western astrology has nothing comparable to the Jaimini dashas (such as Chara Dasha), please remember that I and many other jyotishis still utilize Western methods along with Jyotisha methods.

Pam, there may be another scenario which perhaps will arise here.  I also wouldn't be surprised if for the next 2 1/2 months, that she may not feel motivated enough, or have enough self-initiative, to wholeheartedly look for another job.

This is because back on June 26, the transiting True Nodes began a 77-day "stationary" period in which they will remain at 11 degrees Cancer/Capricorn in her Jyotisha charts.  Which means they will exactly aspect her natal Jupiter degree.  And Jupiter rules her 3rd House of motivation and initiative as well as her 6th House of service.

Here's a visual of what was going on back on June 25...check out the Transits Box.

Once the True Nodes start moving again in mid-September, then she most likely will have more energy and drive to resume looking more wholeheartedly for her next job...

Again, your love and support for her during this time will be very welcomed by her....

The best to you both...



« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 08:37:40 AM by James Williams »
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Re: Fired!
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2018, 08:42:18 AM »
That’s awful, Pamela, I feel so bad for your niece. Pretty hard to get back into job-hunting after a blow like that, I imagine. Coming during T Saturn squaring her natal N Jupiter, I can see that square’s possibilities, both positive and negative, reflected in her experience. Sounds like she enjoyed being challenged and learning a lot (at the start of her job, in April, the square was triggered by T Mars conjunct T Saturn) and now she’s out (unsuccessful) despite her good attitude and excellent effort. But no, I wouldn’t have thought about being fired, based on that.

I’m sure she was a great young hire and now she’s learned that some things are out of a young hire’s control (like budget cuts) which must be extra hard on her self-empowering Scorpio MC and natal 1st House Pluto. With fair-minded Libra on her 12th House and its ruler, Venus, highlighted on June 25 (with her SP Moon conjunct N Venus and T Venus triggering conjunct-square her MC and natal Venus) I bet she will be especially kind and considerate of others if she ever has to fire anyone in her future.

Obviously, after the fact, we can see outer planet themes afoot – a devastating end (life-changing Pluto); a confusing, unexplained loss (irrational Neptune); a totally unexpected disruption (unpredictable Uranus). All three are referenced in the first possibility that crossed my mind: Could your niece’s firing be related to an early triggering – by T Mercury at 23 Cancer, on June 25 – of the July 12 eclipse, at 21 Cancer? Her chart does look like she may be personally and significantly impacted by this eclipse, with her natal Mercury (22 Cancer) opposing transiting Pluto (20 Capricorn) conjunct her natal Neptune and Uranus (Capricorn 20 and 21, respectively).   

I’m not that well-versed in solar returns, but because this happened so close to her birthday maybe her solar return would be instructive. Might get time to take take a look at that and coming prospects later.

Hi pdw,

Thanks so much for your thoughts on this.  Yes, hindsight is 20-20, isn't it?  Those three outer planets sure do seem to describe the situation, but why that day?  They say the Sun picks the day and the Moon the hour; well, the Sun rules her 10th house of career tropically, and her secondary progressed Sun at 21 Cancer was conjunct her natal Mercury and opposing Neptune and Uranus, the latter exactly.  So I guess maybe it does fit.

You have me worried about that upcoming eclipse.  At present my niece is abroad with her parents; they were going anyway, and took her with them for a ten-day change of scene, hoping this will reinvigorate her.  The plan is that she is to relax and enjoy herself, and hit the ground running looking for another job when she gets back.  The thing is, she's flying home on July 13.  OMG, fingers crossed that nothing else awful happens.

I do feel better that you also think you wouldn't have seen the firing based on tMA cnj tSA sqr nJU!

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2018, 08:46:46 AM »
Hi James,

Thank you so much for your observations.  I've been looking at my niece's Vedic chart in an effort to better understand your comments; I must say, they certainly do seem to account for her losing her job more definitively than anything happening in the tropical zodiac.  Sigh - not for the first time, I'm thinking maybe I'm using the wrong zodiac.  I guess I just feel, frankly, too old to start all over with a totally different system.

I'm very glad to hear that you think she may get another job fairly soon; even if it's not a 'real' job, at this point anything would be helpful.  I had also thought, even before she lost her job, that in a year and a half to two she'd be liable to find a still better position; I had figured it would most likely be a promotion within her present company.  I forget offhand what I saw in the astrology that caused me to think that, but it might have been transiting Jupiter opposing her natal Sun; I've noticed that often, with that transit, people attain a major career success.

Thanks again, James; much appreciated.

Pam, you're very welcome.  And while I know that Western astrology has nothing comparable to the Jaimini dashas (such as Chara Dasha), please remember that I and many other jyotishis still utilize Western methods along with Jyotisha methods.

Pam, there may be another scenario which perhaps will arise here.  I also wouldn't be surprised if for the next 2 1/2 months, that she may not feel motivated enough, or have enough self-initiative, to wholeheartedly look for another job.

This is because back on June 26, the transiting True Nodes began a 77-day "stationary" period in which they will remain at 11 degrees Cancer/Capricorn in her Jyotisha charts.  Which means they will exactly aspect her natal Jupiter degree.  And Jupiter rules her 3rd House of motivation and initiative as well as her 6th House of service.

Here's a visual of what was going on back on June 25...check out the Transits Box.

Once the True Nodes start moving again in mid-September, then she most likely will have more energy and drive to resume looking more wholeheartedly for her next job...

Again, your love and support for her during this time will be very welcomed by her....

The best to you both...

Thanks again, James.  Interesting about the stationary period of the nodes; it would make sense that she won't have the energy to really go after a job, after what happened.  I hope she does, but if not, it'll be good to keep in mind what you've said about the nodes; I'll look ahead to mid-September. Thank you!

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2018, 08:59:05 AM »
Hi Pam.  How incredibly disturbing for your young niece.  And what ass holes they are.  I hope lots of people let her know how common this is, etc.  I didn’t try to look for any solar arcs right now, but what really stands out in the western astrology is the Pluto transit opposite to her Mercury, conjunct the Uranus-Neptune set.  That is a big “developmental tension in her life” which is being triggered right now in a powerful way....a hard knock in life.  So...this may be way off base, but I can’t help saying that because her Mercury also rules her 8th house that it possibly could be related to the company’s desire to employ people who are familiar and comfortable with lots of sexual shenanigans at work.  Film industry has not turned the corner on that one yet.  Maybe she will say no, that wasn’t it, but there are subliminal things she might not have picked up on, being the hard worker she is.  I remember an interview I had one time in my life where the owner of the company almost came out and said that if I wanted to work there I had to be a loose party person because everybody else was one.  So, just a brief thought....but it will be something to do with her Mercury situation.

Hi Barbara,

Very interesting; thank you.  I have no idea if you're right in your speculation about the 8th house; I just would have interpreted it, in this case, as being money from others.  But who knows?  The whole thing was so bizarre, anything's possible.

I do notice now that her Mars, which rules her natal 6th house of work and service, and natally is in her 10th house of career, by secondary progression has moved to 12 Virgo - exactly squaring her natal 8th house Moon and South Node (and North Node too, of course).  (That's if you use the True Node; if you use the Mean, it's one degree short of exact.)

I guess everything is more and more starting to make sense.  But I still wouldn't have seen it coming; again, I don't think I wanted to see such a thing. 

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2018, 11:50:42 AM »
 Hi Pam,

Looking at your nieces chart, it is a very strong chart, but what stands out is that power packed Pluto (1) Mars (6,1) Saturn (3) T square.

Losing your first job can feel devastating to a young woman, especially when they are eager and put their whole heart into it.

But as her aunty maybe to take the wider view and help her to understand the world of workplace dynamics and competition.

Gee, this brings back memories of many of these kind of talks with my own kids in their earlier working years.

For what it's worth, my understanding of Mars in Leo is that they always put their heart into it, except for when disillusionment kicks in, or their pride has been severely assaulted.
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Re: Fired!
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2018, 04:14:17 PM »
Hi Robynne,

Thanks for your thoughts on this.  My niece does have a strong chart, though she's growing into it gradually as she grows up.  I guess this experience is one that will hasten the growing up process, poor kid; but she'll get there in the end.  With Saturn just starting its transit  through her 3rd house she's got a long time to wait, probably, before things start to really look up for her career-wise.  But hopefully she'll knock 'em dead in the end.

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Re: Fired!
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2018, 10:56:17 PM »
All good Pam,

Strangely, the angles in your nieces chart are at the same degrees as my own chart, and I've lost 3 jobs in the last 6 months, but the issues there are mostly age and health related and employers preferring to hire people in your nieces age range. The job market now seems to favour youth over age and experience. I can empathise too, sometimes it gets difficult to persevere with so many setbacks  :)
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