Noel Tyl
Astrology => General Astrology Discussion => Topic started by: cristache on October 04, 2013, 12:11:35 PM
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its very intersting how the us chart react ,arc of neptun square the moon of us and the transit are very elocvent ,the moon is the ruler of 2 and <money>.
and the us sun is in dificulty with this uranus-pluto square with the transit of saturn square the mc.
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Hi cristian, I like your black aspect lines, never seen that before. How do you produce those black lines and what astrology program do you have?
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I have been watch the first POTUS chart (13th April 1789 at 12.45.07 pm, New York, NY) as it has Mars at 13Aries31 in the 8th house, sesiquadrate the Ascendant of 28Leo41 and the Nodes at 28 Taurus-Scorpio.
The Uranus-Pluto transit is activating Mars, the Ascendant-Descendant and the Nodal axis of this chart so I thought that there would be some kind of government upheaval connected to financial matters. This is a particularly powerful transit as Pluto rules the IC, which is the opposition party, and Uranus rules the Descendant of open enemies as well as partnerships.
This difficult transit comes to a head in April 2014 and is triggered by transiting Mars in Libra and transiting Jupiter in Cancer. Transiting Mars is opposite radix Mars January-June 2014 and activated by this current new Moon.
Even more worrying is Secondary Progressed Moon opposing radix Mars in February-March 2014, acting as a further trigger.
Ebertin in 'Combination of Stellar Influences' says of Uranus-Pluto = Mars "The stage of bending or breaking ... fanaticism, violence, injury, accident" and Uranus-Pluto = Ascendant "Applications of force ..a restless environment". With transiting Jupiter magnifying this and transiting Mars giving a further push, I think the USA and its government is in for some difficulties.
In addition, transiting Saturn is currently opposing radix Sun, ruler of the Ascendant, so the leader and the people are being blocked.
This POTUS chart is very important in assessing matters to do with government so should never be overlooked.
Alice
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Alice,
Where did you get this data for the Washington Inauguration ("POTUS") chart? I'd been using 1:20 pm LMT with 5:33 Virgo rising. I really doubt if an observer in 1789 would have recorded the time to the second. I am starting to accept Diana Stone's conclusion that the Declaration of Independence was not the beginning of the US. As she puts it, a person in jail can declare themselves to be free, but it won't make any difference!
Don Borkowski
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hi halina,
I use solarfire 7.06 and you can save any chart you want and then open in paint .
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Hello Don,
I still prefer the Marr chart for the U.S.A.
The government shuts down, it is an attack on the people...and the people are rightfully angry about it. This sounds (mundanely) just like Mars on the IC...angry people and a direct challenge for the government in general, the "President" in particular. Most of the presented circumstances about why this is happening are lies, a misleading theatrical production of epic proportions, a grand propaganda if you will... Neptune.
Below is the precessed demi-Lunar Return (angularity is KEY) for the governmental shutdown. The first one shows the precessed demi-Lunar Return in the middle (to preserve Angles/Cusps)...notice Neptune as the "power planet" in this demi-Lunar Return, due to angularity.
(http://www.jamesalexander.de/GovtLamenessLR_N.png)
Next is the (Marr) U.S.A. chart with the positions from the (precessed) demi-Lunar Return in the outer wheel. The attack upon and the anger of the people is clearly demarcated by the demi-LR's Moon conjunction with Mars right on the IC, the People. (the 4th House is also "the party not in power" and certainly, this is being used by GOP interests as a major attacking point against the President and his "affordable health care".)
(http://www.jamesalexander.de/GovtLamenessN_LR.png)
Re: "I am starting to accept Diana Stone's conclusion that the Declaration of Independence was not the beginning of the US."
This is the date that the country has always celebrated as the real "birth" of the nation, ipso facto the correct birth date for the country. Regardless, this date (with 7:43:40 UT) gives perfect Primary Directions for the major events of the country. If one has any doubts, pull up a bi-wheel, diurnal chart for 9/11. The astrology could not be more obvious.
http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?topic=2710.msg13277#msg13277 (http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?topic=2710.msg13277#msg13277)
Take care,
James
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I belive you moon is on the mc becose always us run the show teatrality or reality ,and always need a strong motivation to show to the world justification for his action.
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and uranus have to be on the asc with your fantastic progres of evolution,all the industry ,media ,sport .
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Dear ODd James,
I have not abandoned the Marr rectification; I call it the "predictor" chart, as I use it for forecasting elections, etc. I see it as a refinement of the 2:13 am chart. I do maintain an interest in other historical charts, however, which is why I'm questioning Alice about the correct time of the Washington Inauguration ("POTUS") chart.
All my best,
Don
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Alice,
Where did you get this data for the Washington Inauguration ("POTUS") chart? I'd been using 1:20 pm LMT with 5:33 Virgo rising. I really doubt if an observer in 1789 would have recorded the time to the second. I am starting to accept Diana Stone's conclusion that the Declaration of Independence was not the beginning of the US. As she puts it, a person in jail can declare themselves to be free, but it won't make any difference!
Don Borkowski
There was a huge discussion about this a few years ago on the Tyl forum and other forums. Unfortunately Lorenzo Smerillo was involved and as he was quite derisive and abusive of other astrologers I think a lot of people tuned out. Regardless of his personality, he is an excellent astrologer and researcher.
I quote:
"Nick Campion gives 12.45 pm on page 373 in the 2nd edition 2004 printing. To quote from page 373 '''The whole process became complete with the swearing in of the first president, George Washington on 30 April 1789 in New York, the capital. Washington arrived at Federal hall at 12.30 pm, went straight inside, was introduced to Congress and took the oath. If this chronology is correct, the swearing in would have taken place by 12.45 pm, perhaps by 12.40 pm. The moment represents the final act in the creation of the USA out of the thirteen rebellious English colonies."
Age harmonics gives the most likely time as 12.45.07 pm.
This Swearing-In chart is very effective indeed in anything at all to do with the government of the USA and as the date, place and time are recorded there is no argument about its validity.
Alice
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Alice,
Would you know where the 1:20 pm time came from?
Diana Stone favors the surrender of Cornwallis to Washington as the first instance of the United States functioning as a unit. I'll let her publish more before I say more.
Don
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I think there is good predictive potency and historical synchronization in both the Marr Chart and the POTUS Chart. They both look to be valid and I have not found better charts for the USA yet.
The Moon Mars conjunction that James points out is interesting .
This is Mars in Vedic Cancer it's debilitation sign activated by the Moon.
In the past such transit brought us the BP Gulf of Mexico oil disaster. At least it was a major part of that fiasco.
It looks to have triggered recent mayhem in Egypt due to conjuncting Egypt's natal Pluto.
This transit in the USA Marr chart took place in the 7th Lunar house of partners on the IC of the chart a critical point.
Maybe it will be good in some way for America that is on it's way to financial ruination.
This may not be a good Solar year for Obama. On his birthday August 4th the midpoint of the nodes the Jaws of the Dragon fell on his Sun at Solar return.
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Progressive aspects The USA ( 14h20m11s local birthtime).
14-Oct-2013 018°,26'40 Libra Moon * FORAMEN (SAT - JUP )
15-Oct-2013 018°,28'17 Libra Moon 0 mutual Mars
18-Oct-2013 022°,19'28 Aries Ven 135 C--2
21-Oct-2013 012°,17'22 Aries MC 135 Black Moon
23-Oct-2013 018°,44'06 Libra Moon 30 C-11
27-Oct-2013 018°,52'10 Libra Moon 150 mutual C-11
28-Oct-2013 020°,54'53 Aquarius Merc 135 Jup
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Progressive aspects the USA.
12-Apr-1789 000°,00'00 Libra C-11 Nw
13-Apr-1789 +23°,08'23 Jup // Pars
I do not know what 13 april 1789 for The USA means.
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The 13th looks like a typographical error.
Alice has the 30th in the chart wheel.
April 30th 1789 was the day that Washington was sworn into office as president.
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It's interesting isn't it? I'm listening to Sunday's talking heads whilst I write/McCain is blustering about ... stuff
One of the few areas of agreement I have with Noel is the 7GE35 rising ... I use a 2:14:45 est am philly chart ...
The current bone crushing pluto Saturn mutual reception ... is reflected in US progressed chart ... p-Saturn retro at 3 scorp ...p-Pluto direct at 29CP15 ... government and taxes ... probably the necessity of restructuring both ... sextile by sign though perfecting square by angle.
Here is the beauty part ... the p-moon as of 18October is 24LI30 ... the lunar eclipse of 18October is 25AR45 .... the eclipse engages Obama's progressed chart, primarily his p-moon at 27aries or so, his p asc at 26 aries and his p mars in p-sixth at 24
Do you think Obama knows what Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin means?
I wish Solar Fire did some of the tricks the old dos NOVA did ... like a solar return to the progressed moon ... the sun will be at 24 libra 30 -07, the degree of the US progressed moon at 12:22:20 pm est ... I did it for philly ... which has pluto 12th house conjunction w/ascendant ... and moon partile applying conjunction with retro Uranus at 9AR02/9AR58 ... this on 17 October 2013 ... which is the date the money stops ...
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Do you think Obama knows what Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin means?
This gave me chills as I had to look up the meaning myself and found this:
http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/BQA/k/65/Mene-Mene-Tekel-Upharsin-Daniel-525.htm
Belshazzar, co-regent of the Babylonian Empire, watched as these words were supernaturally written on the palace wall the very night his kingdom fell (probably October 13, 539 BC).
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Right ... remember the Babylonians were partying hearty with the sacred good looted from Hebrew Temples, while someone had left the gates of Babylon open for Cyrus' Persian Army to capture the city w/out shedding a drop of blood.
And Daniel went on to instruct the Persian Magi in the sacred astral arts and sciences of Babylon ... being appointed Chief Magus by Cyrus for this gift of holy fire and also effecting the return to Israel.
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I wish Solar Fire did some of the tricks the old dos NOVA did ... like a solar return to the progressed moon ... the sun will be at 24 libra 30 -07, the degree of the US progressed moon at 12:22:20 pm est ... I did it for philly ... which has pluto 12th house conjunction w/ascendant ... and moon partile applying conjunction with retro Uranus at 9AR02/9AR58 ... this on 17 October 2013 ... which is the date the money stops ...
Solar Fire does - but with a slightly different method.
Go to chart>return/ingress>Advanced & Ingress>Options>Sun and then, under Position or Ingress, put in the degree of the progressed Moon; under which returns click the nearest return button and then click OK.
I used the degree of 24Libra27'40", which was the exact degree of the SP Moon on 17th October and got the attached chart.
Note the transiting Moon triggering the near exact Uranus-Pluto square on that day - very stressful indeed! In addition the SP Moon is square radix Mercury, ruler of the Ascendant and 5th house, so there will be masses of communication.
The POTUS chart worries me somewhat. It has an eclipse of the Sun activating in November, which is carrying Mars/Pluto, Saturn/Node and Jupiter/Neptune midpoints with it - which can all be very difficult midpoints. The Sun is the leader of the nation and also rules the Ascendant, the people of the nation, so this seems to suggest considerable upheaval over the next few months.
The parallax Secondary Progressed Moon for this chart on the 17th October is 9Libra33, also triggering the difficult Uranus-Pluto square.
Alice