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General Astrology Discussion / Re: A Practicing Astrologer?!
« Last post by Stacy on Today at 09:56:57 AM »
"Hobbyist".  I can accept that and see myself as that, now. Or a consultant (when asked). Informal teacher, even.

Nothing wrong with any of these levels. But when I was younger and medical issues did not consume my every waking moment, I did research and even made a stab at writing; was going to use my 3rd house abilities and submit to TMA but life got in the way. In middle school I actually did a major homework assignment on astrology (age 11, I think) which got me an A grade and lots and lots of curious classmates. Beginning of teaching! (my astrology teacher felt I was meant to use my Uranus-MC and teach astrology in a "BIG" (Leo) way.  But fizzled out when family and divorced parents and other things intruded.

I just didn't have proper "LEVEL" as NT suggests. Every time I planned to take Noel's course, I had a 4th house crises and had to move (Uranus r. 4th).  Apparently wasn't meant to be. Not enough stability in my environment to my deep regret.

I can see your points, HVA. Thanks for clarifying.
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Robere,

Indeed, this will be a major world event Thanks for head's up.

Do you have anything going on, to your knowledge, signified by any of these planets/aspects and/or houses in your chart? It may not have manifested openly yet.

I have 29 Mars-Saturn and expect that if I am still alive when the transit hits this aspect--that will be all she wrote. Literally may be when I transition given my numerous and serious medical conditions. It would be most welcome...apologies if the topic is too morbid for readers.

Stacy
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Thanks for this post Robere, . This looks like a major world event.

A few folks here mentioned this awesome event several months ago. So salute to all for the alert on this mega cosmic event.


The 2020 event is a quadruple Junction event with Saturn Pluto and the Sun all at 23 Capricorn , Mercury within 2 degrees,
  Starscope January 2020

http://planetwatcher.com/#1578924000

These multiple planetary conjunctions are super powerful.

 Notice the S Node Ketu is Conjunct Jupiter in it's weakened debilitated sign Capricorn at the zodiacal address  of the April 2018  Saturn Mars Conjunction
 9 degrees Capricorn.
Moon+ Venus will oppose that day at the end of Leo and Aquarius.

Earlier that day  we see the Moon at 23 Leo making a quincunx  to the Great Conjunction of
 Mercury Saturn Sun and Pluto
http://planetwatcher.com/#1578880800


Here is the  April  2018 starscope  of Saturn Conjunct Mars
http://planetwatcher.com/#1522684800

This needs a whole lot of analysis, Looks like a very dangerous tangle of stars.

These events tie in to the chart of President Trump
The Grand Conjunction is on his Vertex  opposing his Saturn and aspecting his Sun + MC. As the Moon andVenus oppose on his Asc Dsc that day.

April 2018 Mars Saturn slams his Mercury at 180 degrees.
https://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Donald_Trump
 The 2018 Mars Saturn and the 2020 grand Conjunction are in his 6th house of health and enemies and in his 2nd Lunar house, sometimes gainful sometimes deadly Maraka house.
 Trump with his Natal Mercury exactly opposed by 2018 Saturn Mars , he and family  must be extremely cautious   in communication and transportation especially flying.

USA and other nation charts need inspection concerning these dangerous transits.
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General Astrology Discussion / Re: Like A Roelling Stone
« Last post by Halina on Today at 09:23:04 AM »
      What is Roell's sequence of behavior when he talks to You?   This is revealed by his DYNAMIC QUADRANTS TABLE, below.
He starts out conversing with You, spontaneously, with Mars in the You sector.   Then he goes to Mercury-Moon-Sun(2 Ego planets)-Pluto in the ENERGY section....lots of energy here.
      He ends with Uranus(astrology insights)-Jupiter(plenty of that)-Saturn rx(structured with past references)-Venus(You sector)-Neptune(to us unconscious types in the Collective sector).
     The other short forms along the left margin are IND or INDIVIDUATION AND "I" relating to Dave himself, not You.
People who start with Mars, are stimulated to act and to movement, are impatient and active.   People who end an activity or interaction with Neptune, have a love of letting go, ruminating, meditating, dreaming.
     In the Individuation quadrant Dave has Merc, Sun, Node and Jupiter.
In the You quad, Dave has Mars and Venus.   In the Collective sector her has Moon-Pluto, Saturn rx, and Neptune.
In the I quad, Dave has Uranus(astrology).
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General Astrology Discussion / Re: Like A Roelling Stone
« Last post by Antonio on Today at 09:21:17 AM »
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To sum it up I would say that "practicing" means when we realize as astrologers that the "symbol is the thing symbolized" I think then we are being/becoming astrologers (its a never ending process). My presumption is that it is not a possibility to attain this level without a clientele, if even for a small period of time." HVA

Funny, that reminds me the words of Portuguese traditional astrologer, in a interview she gave in 2010:

"'Astrologers' who do not give consultationss and who do not practice any branch of Astrology are not true astrologers, they are only theoretical. It's like being a gardener and never having touched a plant ... or being a cook without ever having entered the kitchen. This 'fear of getting your hands dirty' with the practice of Astrology is in fact a snobbery." H.A.

She's the co-auther of the book "On the Heavenly Spheres: A Treatise on Traditional Astrology."

I have an authorized recording of a consultation she gave to a friend, years ago. I wrote about it here:
http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?topic=6310.msg36684#msg36684

Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed above are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect my own. What a heck do i know? I'm just a zen clown, for god's sake!  ;D
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General Astrology Discussion / Re: A Practicing Astrologer?!
« Last post by James Williams on Today at 09:11:22 AM »

To sum it up I would say that "practicing" means when we realize as astrologers that the "symbol is the thing symbolized" I think then we are being/becoming astrologers (its a never ending process). My presumption is that it is not a possibility to attain this level without a clientele, if even for a small period of time. So, as far as I am concerned, I am just a hobbyist at this point and not a PROFESSIONAL astrologer who is in PRACTICE as an astrologer. "Practice"="In the field" not in the lab doing research, or writing newsletters. What's interesting is that what works in the lab doesn't always work in the field and only field experience can teach us that... but I think it is also imperative to read, and test things out, which is why the Forum is such a gift of sharing and learning together... consulting isn't for everyone but that doesn't mean we can't make a contribution. The Forum will make me a better practicing astrologer someday... or writer... researcher... or whatever I end up becoming. The distinction for me is that the "practicing astrologer" in my mind holds a certain reverence and respect fpr me since I understand with every fiber of my body what it takes to get there... 

And I do hope to be that... one day...

HVA
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General Astrology Discussion / Re: Like A Roelling Stone
« Last post by Halina on Today at 08:48:37 AM »
Thanx for the deep analysis, HVA.   Below is a photo of David Roell and also his numerous Aspect Structures, smart man.
The Righteous Rectangle has fixed motivation.   Enclosed entirely by the blue aspects visible to the environment, the impression given is of calm, serenity, and harmony.  In contrast, the tension created by the red oppositions is concealed within this confined space; if it were possible to step inside it would feel like being caught in the crossfire between two opposing factions.
     Some people with this figure deny that there are such things as problems because they do not want to look inside and resolve their own.  Others, however, are willing to do this and work, with awareness, on overcoming them.
     I have added Roell's natal Huber chart so you can see what planets are involved in his various aspect structures.
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Good to hear Ant!

I was 212 miles away and 23 minutes early... with a 7 Gemini Ascendant...  >:(

But not bad with the scant information I had... Really appreciate that data thanks...

Analysis stands... and I might have thought he'd have more time as well... perhaps the birth time IS a little earlier than was recorded... Wonder what DR might think.

I agree that astrology might have been a bit tipsy from a psychological overload but the pendulum has swung the other way with all things "ancient."

DR called Huber a simpleton... my guess is that the other references you made he skimmed as well... but that's cool with me... I'm moving on now... in DR's case he was magisterial all right but he was not wearing any clothes in my humble opinion.

HVA 
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General Astrology Discussion / Re: Like A Roelling Stone
« Last post by amymaddalozzo on Today at 07:55:29 AM »
Does any one  know what he died of?  AMY
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...it is my learned opinion that the consultation forges a keen perception that one only attains in the kiln of experience, the fire of relating to others and not solely from books. There can be such a thing as "reading too much," and while "better books make better astrologers" the presumption in that tagline is that you read the better books.

In a conversation with E.F. we were recently having I asked him about Karl Popper because he was suggesting in our discussion that his work had taken a decidedly philosophical turn... he had no idea who Popper was...  :o Whatevs... that's Sun Sign astrology for you... but you know the surface water bugs feed the fish too.

For some reason I felt compelled to come to Antonio's rescue, not that he asked or needed me to... just my own western hemisphere leaning too much to the right sometimes. But I'm a huge fan of your brother.

Educating myself on Mr. Roell was more of an education than I bargained for AND as said inspired me on a private level...

"We were so much older then I'm younger than that now..."

To sum it up I would say that "practicing" means when we realize as astrologers that the "symbol is the thing symbolized" I think then we are being/becoming astrologers (its a never ending process). My presumption is that it is not a possibility to attain this level without a clientele, if even for a small period of time. So, as far as I am concerned, I am just a hobbyist at this point and not a PROFESSIONAL astrologer who is in PRACTICE as an astrologer. "Practice"="In the field" not in the lab doing research, or writing newsletters. What's interesting is that what works in the lab doesn't always work in the field and only field experience can teach us that... but I think it is also imperative to read, and test things out, which is why the Forum is such a gift of sharing and learning together... consulting isn't for everyone but that doesn't mean we can't make a contribution. The Forum will make me a better practicing astrologer someday... or writer... researcher... or whatever I end up becoming. The distinction for me is that the "practicing astrologer" in my mind holds a certain reverence and respect fpr me since I understand with every fiber of my body what it takes to get there... 

And I do hope to be that... one day...

HVA
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