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Offline James Williams

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You want to partner with her?!
« on: April 08, 2021, 02:45:28 AM »
If in a female's Jyotisha natal chart, both the Ascendant and the Moon are in "odd signs, and be aspected by malefics, the woman concerned will be masculine in bearing, of wicked disposition, beyond the control of the husband, insincere, wrathful, and poor" (from chapter 2 entitled "Female Horoscopy" in Mantreswara's Phaladeepika, English translation, commentary, and annotation by Dr. G.S. Kapoor).

I never cease to be amazed when I come across something like this in the Jyotisha classics, and this particular one is found in at least one other classic as well.

There's a couple of words here that I'd like to focus on.  The word "wicked" could be better translated as crooked, dishonest, fraudulent, perverse, and guile.

The word "wrathful" has also the connotation of being angry, furious, fierce, acrid, savage, cruel, severe, strict, impetuous, and violent.

And the phrase "beyond the control of the husband" pretty much sums up the antonym, which has been described as...obedient to another's will, dutiful, at the disposal of, docile and obedient wife, being under control, submissive, humble, tamed, tractable, amenable, and malleable, to name a few.





"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2021, 03:17:29 AM »
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2021, 03:33:40 AM »
...In Jungian parlance, this would be referred to as a negative animus-ridden woman...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD7shGy0PEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoMF5zOsbec&t=1296s
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2021, 05:51:50 AM »
         Hi James, for study, could you post her birth data or vedic chart.....thanx.    I have another author's translation of Philadeepka and
couldn't find her chart there.

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2021, 02:31:43 PM »
Hi Halina, let's make this a research endeavor...the principles are clearly stated above, so further research can now proceed...and there is no chart displayed in Phaladeepika for this particular shloka...

For clarification, the "natural" malefics in Jyotish are Rahu, Ketu, Mars, Saturn, and the Sun.
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2021, 10:53:21 PM »
i am not a scorpio
vedic doesn't work.

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2021, 02:48:17 AM »
         Hi James, for study, could you post her birth data or vedic chart.....thanx.    I have another author's translation of Philadeepka and
couldn't find her chart there.

Hi Halina, which author's translation of Phaladeepika do you have?
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2021, 03:18:07 AM »
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Turner,_Lana

Turner's Jyotisha Ascendant was Gemini, while her Moon was in Aquarius, both odd signs.

Natural malefic Rahu (AKA North Node) aspected both her Ascendant and her Moon.

Natural malefic Saturn aspected her Ascendant.

She was married EIGHT times.

Providing confluence and corroboration, her Venus was aspected by 6th House ruler natural malefic Mars, and by 8th House ruler natural malefic Saturn.  Zero benefics aspected her Venus.  The 6th House in Jyotisha signifies disputes, contention, territorial fights, enmity, defiance, fighting, jealousy, and separations, etc.

How could you not bring this up in a consultation?!

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2021, 05:16:28 AM »
Hi James,   I have Phaldeepika (Bhavartha Bodhini), translated by Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha and Pandit Ashutosh Ojha.
Will check  if this woman is in there.   OK, I found it.....it's on page 207.
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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2021, 06:57:06 AM »
        https://www.mensxp.com/special-features/today/26577-10-cruelest-wives-in-the-history-of-mankind.html
Let's see if there are any birth times for these ladies.   Nope, unfortunately no birth times.   Let's try 2 famous Charles Manson women and
apply the rules for mean woman.
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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2021, 12:55:53 PM »
Yes, they translate it..."she will be cunning, she will behave rudely with her husband, she will be masculine in behavior, difficult to be controlled, and will be poor."  Deceitful would be another synonym for cunning, in this context.

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2021, 02:05:02 PM »
...another example has been married more than eight times...

Her odd-signed Jyotisha Ascendant is aspected by natural malefic Rahu (AKA North Node), while her odd-signed Moon is aspected by natural malefic Ketu (AKA South Node).

The ruler of her 8th is in the 7th, while the ruler of the 7th is exactly combust (and aspected by natural malefics Ketu and Mars).

However, sometimes with age comes wisdom, as she has been married to her most recent husband now for over 24 years...

Again, how could you not talk about the negative animus in a consultation with her?!


"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2021, 02:15:27 PM »
...another example has never married, but has had a handful of "serious" relationships in the last 15 years...

Her odd-signed Jyotisha Ascendant is aspected by natural malefic Ketu, as is her odd-signed Moon.  Zero benefics aspect either.

The ruler of her 7th House is in the 12th, and aspected by natural malefics Sun and Saturn.  Zero benefics aspect the 7th House ruler.

Can you say...

Negative animus?!

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2021, 12:53:50 AM »
...another was married four times, with the first two marriages ending before the first year...

Her odd-signed Jyotisha Ascendant was aspected by natural malefics Sun, Saturn, and Rahu (AKA North Node).

Her odd-signed Jyotisha Moon was aspected by Sun and Ketu (AKA South Node).  No benefics aspect the Ascendant or Moon.

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: You want to partner with her?!
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2021, 03:47:03 AM »
...and one celebrity--Madonna--may have been born with both Moon and Ascendant in an odd sign in her Jyotisha birth chart, and aspected by natural malefics Ketu and Saturn.

So after studying these examples, the shloka could be translated as...

she will be cunning, masculine in bearing, difficult to be controlled, impetuous, fierce and roving.
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).