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Elizabeth Holmes found guilty of fraud
« on: January 04, 2022, 12:13:57 AM »
Elizabeth Holmes, born February 3, 1984. Founder and chief executive of Theranos, the health technology company that took off after her company claimed to have revolutionized blood testing by developing testing methods that used just a pinprick of blood. In 2015 she was worth $9 billion.

Her ruler Uranus is exactly conjunct her South Node at 12 Sag 44. Sepharial mentions about this degree, 'There is also another characteristic somewhat unusual here and that is a preoccupation with bodily health. They are fearful of illness which may deteriorate into hypochondriac proportions or may be contained as a natural and beneficial care for the things that contribute to good health.'

She was found guilty of fraud yesterday. Saturn conjunct her Sun this month.

Here's what he wrote about her Sun and Neptune degrees:

SUN: 14 of Aquarius: This is not considered a good degree. Natives here usually have some kind of curious and eccentric habit pattern. There may be a connection with the thyroid or pituitary glands. Often they are restless and difficult to settle down. The most consistent circumstance is some form of mishap during middle life when the work is interrupted or stopped altogether and some major crisis must be faced. He is subject to unforeseen dangers and possibly shortened life span. The degree of Uranus and its strength or weakness may reveal more of what this degree may mean for the individual. Endowed with a poor memory but alive to the slightest impressions of pain, the native will, right in the middle of his earthly life, face sudden disaster, as injury to life and limb, financial breakdown or any other accident. Such a mishap will prevent the native from getting on in one of his activities, in which he is unlikely to pick himself up again. From then on, should the interrupted work have been his main one, the native's future will really be in God's hands.

NEP: 0 of Capricorn: Here is a good example of spirit in the seed, most applicable to Capricorn. He seems to have a concentration of spiritual truth within himself. He speaks and acts for the future; much misunderstood and perhaps not even portraying clearly the truth he perceives because of the distortion between himself and his environment. He holds to what he believes and attempts to give it out in the best way he can to be meaningful to those around him. Sometimes he enjoys a measure of success and sometimes not. There is great endurance and patience granted by the urgency of his insights and the need to hold what he believes against all onslaughts from outside influences. He seems to have the necessary qualities to continue his efforts and survive to grow, perhaps even to succeed, to great heights if other circumstances and the rest of the chart permit such development. The native is a misfit in his times. He may discover some of the most jealously guarded secrets of nature and be a forerunner of times to come; and may as well bring again to the light things long forgotten and buried, thus reviving the past. Whether the former or the latter, he has a mission to fulfill and possesses the force of character and the sharpness of mind life demands of him. A naturalist or a mining engineer, a pioneer, an archaeologist or whatever he is, he is born to discover, to innovate, and to be misunderstood and bitterly fought. He will have to suffer but will be able to overrule the intrusive advice of the zealous. Should the other aspects not rule out a measure of luck, he may well end by carrying the day.

and a bit about her

VEN: 11 of Capricorn: This degree grants the most characteristic qualities of Capricorn. Natives here have the most ability to stay ahead and yet in perfect line with where those around them are going. They seem also to lend direction and have the ability to hold a group together. They have a near perfect ability to keep secrets and hold what they believe and know to be true apart from what they display. However, there is an interaction here which makes use of their secret knowledge in a way that proves useful to their interaction with people. They have an uncanny way of getting people to conform without any obvious pressure. And they seem to get away with the most outlandish use of people, discarding them when they are no longer of use.

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty of fraud
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2022, 08:19:44 AM »
       Elizabeth Anne Holmes, born Washington, DC, time rectified to 5:50:40 PM, Asc 19Le02.   In her triweheel for the verdict on Jan 3, 2022...
1.  Tr Mars, r9, court, rules 5th, investors, sextile natal Sun, 6th, health company, Thanos.
2.  Solar Arc Uranus conj 6th cusp Health Company, Thanos.
3.  Tr Elizabethann conj tr Uranus conj MH.
4.  Tr Neptune, fraud, ruler 8th, other people's money, sextiles trans Holmes.
5.  Tr LIE, fraud, 5th, investor speculation, sextiles Hygeia, health company.
6.  Trans Verdict sextiles natal Neptune, fraud, 5th, speculators, r8th, other's money.
7.  Solar Arc Sun, 8th, other's money, at 22 infamy, sextiles natal Mercury, r2, wire transfer of money, at 22, infamy.
8.  Solar Arc Jupiter, blood, in 6th, blood company, sextile natal Mars, ruler 9th, court.
9.  Tr Jupiter, blood, r5th, conj solar arc Mercury, r2, wire transfer of speculator money.
10.Natal IC conversely Primary Directed to conjunct the PART OF FRAUD, in 2nd House.
11.Natal IC conversely Primary Directed to 9th H, court, to square natal Neptune, fraud, deceit.
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty of fraud
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2022, 09:05:10 PM »
I was in her area and saw a woman who looks like her walking on the sidewalk hugging a baby and sobbing. Most white women her age in the area look like her so probably wasn't her but it was very sad to see.
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty of fraud
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2022, 12:04:48 AM »
VEN: 11 of Capricorn: This degree grants the most characteristic qualities of Capricorn. Natives here have the most ability to stay ahead and yet in perfect line with where those around them are going. They seem also to lend direction and have the ability to hold a group together. They have a near perfect ability to keep secrets and hold what they believe and know to be true apart from what they display. However, there is an interaction here which makes use of their secret knowledge in a way that proves useful to their interaction with people. They have an uncanny way of getting people to conform without any obvious pressure. And they seem to get away with the most outlandish use of people, discarding them when they are no longer of use.

I wish we'd all put a little more critical thinking in posting such negative generalized interpretations. My Venus is at 10Cap35. I've been studying astrology for over 25 years. I have never ever read anything even remotely similar to the above - and I find it not just completely wrong, but also incredibly insulting and disrespectful.

if you think this woman was manipulative and a hypocrite, and her story somehow triggers you, is one thing. using astrology to claim that EVERYONE with Venus at this degree is a manipulative hypocrite is unprofessional, manipulative and wrong.

and I can't believe nobody called you up on that.

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty of fraud
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 03:02:43 AM »
You make a good point, but I thought the original post was just a quote from a reference source.   ie. not his own thoughts, rather something they're sharing for discussion

Additionally, using my favorite Sabian reference source, I can't help but notice that for 11° Capricorn, the first line says, "Insisting that others look at things the same way that one looks at them..."

And...here we are. 

I do agree that we need to be circumspect...but I'd recommend that you comment with your experience of that degree and argue against its author [And yes, I know Sepharial is dead, I mean arguing against what was said by Sepharial], moreso than against the person that happened to quote it, for discussion.  My opinion only, your mileage may vary... 

In the quoted definition, I notice the line "They have a near perfect ability to keep secrets and hold what they believe and know to be true apart from what they display," which seems to be so on-point relating to Elizabeth Holmes' circumstance that got her convicted, and the stated idea seems intimately related to the concept of *fraud*; that I myself might have quoted it here, just to bring that into the discussion. 
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes found guilty of fraud
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 10:29:10 AM »
      I don't know if Sepharial used the terms/bounds of planets when he differentiated the planets
further to give his characterizations.
      Here are Elizabeth Holmes planets and the bounds they are in.    Would you say that the
bounds are helpful in differentiating her personality from other people .
      Asc 19 Leo in the bounds of Mercury;   Mars11Vi, 4th House, bounds of Mercury'  Jupiter Capricorn, 5th,
bounds of Mercury; Saturn Scorpio 4th, bounds of Mercury;  MH Taurus in bounds of Mercury.
natal Mercury, peregrine in 6th, in bounds of Saturn.
      Her Venus, 11CP, 5th, bounds of Jupiter;  Sun 14Aq, 6th, bounds of Jupiter.
From the above, I get a picture of a scientist who is liable to exaggerate, Jupiter, and to deceive, Neptune.
Jupiter rules the blood.   A peregrine Mercury is the salesman selling her scientific ideas.   The 5th
House rules speculation. and Jupiter-Neptune sit here.
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