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« on: October 22, 2014, 07:59:06 AM »

Voc Exs  October 22-23, 2014


A:    Arnold Schwarzenegger:  July 30, 1947 at 4:10 AM in Graz Austria; Asc 19Can07

Schwarzenegger is a world recognized athlete (weight lifting), action film star, and government politico (Governor of California).

This is a very difficult  three channeled vocational profile.  We learn from working backwards from his reality:  show the three channels.



B.  Male: November 28, 1892 at 6:02 PM in Nuremberg Germany; Asc: 4Can33, also with a Pisces Midheaven.


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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2014, 01:12:06 PM »

Very interesting exercise this week.


Schwarzenegger

1. Neptune . Venus! (4,11) . Moon (Asc) . Saturn (7) . Sun FD (2)…… double bodied MC suggests more than one vocation.

Athlete and body builder:
An emphasis on beauty is seen with Venus peregrine in the 1st. He also has Moon QD Mars (co rules MC) – suggesting the muscle and strength. Add Pluto (5) in contact with Saturn, plus Uranus and Mars in contact with MC – AND Sun = Mars/MC to finish out the athlete profile.

Actor:
Neptune as MC ruler leads us to peregrine Venus. 5th house of performance is part of the profile due to contact with Saturn (7). Sun (2,3) FD – needs to have his talent on display (this also pertains to body building).  Asc = Sun/Moon suggests publicity and public appeal.

Politician:
Saturn (7) in contact with Pluto suggest politics AND Moon in Capricorn in the 6th (service). The Sun in Leo suggests a leadership drive.

Male born Nov 28, 1892

1. Pisces MC keys Neptune IN the 12th with Pluto (6). Neptune is in contact with the Sun (3), Mars, and Saturn (8th)….. we see creative/spiritual communication linked to helping/healing and service.

2. Neptune leads us to Mercury (4,12)  in contact with Moon in the 10th, and Venus (5,12)…… 12th house echoes in the profile suggest the spiritual – reinforced by Pisces Moon. This also suggests creativity and artistic energy. Sun/Moon = Venus reinforces creative path.

3. Mercury leads us to Jupiter (6) . Mars (11)…… service through communication. Mars in contact with the Sun adds a soloistic drive.

4. Uranus E – and also Uranus (9) in contact with MC and Mars…… innovative message. This is echoed by MC = Mercury/Uranus…… writing/publishing/teaching?

STOP

This man needs to communicate an unusual message – perhaps tied to spirituality, psychology, humanistic awareness. As a secondary channel, he may also be involved with a creative/artistic path. He would have been happy being self-employed, perhaps with his home as his base.  Very well done!

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2014, 05:33:20 AM »


Bass Fields:  Welcome!  Where have you been?  Your work here is excellent!
Thank you.  ----Please stay with us.... much lies ahead to polish your talent.  --NT





Hello Mr. Tyl and fellow astrologers, nice to meet you, my name is Bass Fields.
Thank you for the opportunity to practice The Midheaven Extension Process!


Mr. Schwarzenegger
Double bodied sign on Midheaven …multiple vocations.

1)MC.-(QD)Nep(=As/mc).-Ven!(-MC) …3 Quintiles
2)Jup(5).Plu5(2)-Sat7(2)-Su*3(Jup/Plu=^)
3)Ma10(12)(-MC)-Mo^(6)-Mer(12)12(=Su-Mo).Mo^(6).Sat-Plu ...3 Quindeciles

1)A focus on and a calling for attention to project himself aesthetically …film star qualities, show business.

2)Because of the 3 Quintiles and the Neptune-Venus! routing, we automatically look to the 5th house.
The 5th house is ruled by Pluto and Jupiter disposed by Pluto is in the 5th house;
Pluto (in aspect with Jupiter) is in conjunction with Saturn and the Sun in Leo, which is final dispositor.
In the athletic field and in the entertainment field this suggest …
Showing oneself theatricality (Sun*Leo) successfully/powerfully (Jupiter-Pluto)
Jupiter/Pluto=Aries point … Obvious need for success/power/wealth.
Sun*3-Sat7(2)-Plu5(2)-Jup(5) Body building performance business, powerful acting performance in entertainment business.

3)Aries is intercepted in the 10th house ruled by Mars in the 12th house;
besides his muscle building athleticism and action hero career,
this suggests a drive for image building in government, politics.

The Capricorn Moon in the 6th house in hard aspect with Aries point is making
3 Quindecile aspects, suggesting that Mr. Schwarzenegger is obvious an “obsessed” workaholic.
The Capricorn Moon in the 6th house disposed by Saturn conjunct Pluto in the 2th house suggests big business and hardworking,
politics and government.

Mercury=Sun/Moon and Mercury is on angle and ruling the 12th. It will surely be key because of that position.
Mercury gives him motivation for a good presentation, communication and networking also in his governmental, political vocation.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2014, 05:15:39 PM »

Dear Noel,

With the “fall classic” in progress (go Giants), thank you for another “vocational classic”.  These opportunities teach us so much about how to manage this amazing and challenging discipline.
  
A)The Governator”:  

My keen instincts estimate more than one strong career channel…

1.  MC. Neptune. Venus!. Moon. Saturn, r7 ( – Pluto, r5). Sun*(3); 3Q’s, Venus Q Neptune, both contact MC…Creative expression, in a big way!

2.  Mars (10) – Uranus contact the MC, dispositor chain routes to Sun*, with Pluto (r5, - Jupiter)…The Athlete.  (Easy to see from here, with all the aforementioned artistry: presenting himself as a work of art!)
 
3.  Moon (in 6). Saturn – Pluto. Sun*; Moon q= Mercury (12) and Mars (10, in 12) is our (executive) political symbolism (and here, finally, making things happen in service to others), this profile a bit more oblique than #1 and #2 above, I think.  Yet the need to be a successful (larger than life) man under a bright spotlight, admired by many, drives each career expression.

STOP.

A dynamic expression of unique potential makes its mark on the world; the powerful illumination of unrelenting drive and insatiable ambition.
 
B)  The Gentleman from Nuremberg:

1. MC. Neptune-Pluto (6) in 12. Mercury (in 6, r12). Jupiter (6). Mars. – Neptune…Aesthetics, helping/healing; perhaps an esoteric focus.

2. Moon in Pisces (in 10); Moon, Neptune-Pluto contact Saturn (r8); UranusE (9) contacts MC…Reinforcing, strongly, alternative healing with a spiritual or transcendental flavor.
 
3. Venus (5,12 =Sun/Moon) touches the MC and Mercury; Sun (3)=MC and Neptune-Pluto…Idealism augments the aesthetics of helping, healing; and we might now see an artist - or an artistic communicator.

STOP.

There seems to be a talent for compassion, and a need to understand, help, heal in an innovative, probably esoteric/spiritual manner.  Research, investigation, creativity and academics could each be part of a diverse approach.  Secondarily, I sense an artist or poet.  
  
I look forward to the wrap-up!

Kind Regards,

Michael
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2014, 12:26:21 AM »

Schwarzenegger - the Terminator
Athlete (Weight-lifting)
Mo Asc in the 6th:    Appearance refined, improved  - body building
Ven conj Asc in 1st   Nice looking
Asc = Mo/Su      Appearance is basic
Plut5 conj Sat, Sun sesq MC sports, body, personality - transformation
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2014, 01:20:05 AM »

Schwarzenegger - the Terminator

Action-film star
NepMC q MC sq MoAsc           
Fixed determination to film career, by use of bodily appearance

Uran8+9, MarX sq MC Pisc   
Unique use of power and the resource of other people, abroad in pursuit of his career
   
Plut5 Sat7, Sun* sesq MC    
Controlled performer in contact with his audience, fixed upon the career.

Politician and Governor
Plut5 Sat7, Sun*2+3 3 sesq MC      
Communication of his personality as his resource. Powerful, prominent public appeal

sq Jup65                                                              
plus optimism and good-will
   
Merc conj Asc in Cancer trine Jup5:      
 Projection of versatility, communication, surplus, gentleness, good-will, optimism and performance

Sagittarian German
MC • Nep conj Plu6 opp Sun3 Sag 6:   
Prominent, communication of social service - helping-healing axis is activated -

sq Mar11 Pics X:
in a gentle but determined manner.Sensitive, emotional use of power, idealistic, humanistic

Jup6 Aries 11 opp Saturn7+8         
Humanistic, expansion, performance, teaching, the public, focus on the needs of other people

MC= Merc/UranE95                                 
Avant-garde, communication, performance, teaching - abroad

Ven5 Scorp conj Uran95                 
Teaching, children or expression of arts in learning situations about philosophy, relationships, avant-garde.
   
Ven = Mo/Sun                                                       
Aesthetics or rather contributing to improved social relations

Conclusion
This German Sagittarius needs to express himself through at least two channels:
- Communicate his humanistic message
- Teach or perform in an intense, avant-garde way about philosophies
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2014, 06:02:24 AM »

Hi Noel,

Interesting exercise -



For Arnold -

Pisces MC immediately suggesting multiple or a succession of vocations.
MH Neptune - Venus - Moon - Saturn - Sun (FD)
Sun contacts Saturn and Neptune
Venus !
Jupiter/Pluto, Jupiter/Saturn, Mars/Uranus = AP

5 channels are Communicating, Performing, Creative Expression, Helping/Healing, Administration



Performing Channel

Pluto rules 5th and Jupiter in 5th.
AP=Jupiter/Pluto
Sun is FD in 1st

STOP

Sun emphasis, Fire sign emphasis with triple conjunction in Leo and a 5th house emphasis all suggesting the theatrical and performance.



Creative Expression (Aesthetics)

Neptune, Venus and Mercury draw our attention to this channel.
Pisces MC and Venus ! and Mercury conjunct Asc
Mars and Uranus in 12th disposited by Mercury with Mars quintile Neptune

STOP

Gemini emphasis.
3rd house (ruled by Sun), 5th house, 12th house emphasis.

Creative Expression and Aesthetics are emphasised.




Administration Channel

Usually suggested by an earth-sign need expression.
Moon in Capricorn in 6th (services to others) with Saturn ruling 7th.
Moon is quindecile Mars and Mercury in 12th
Saturn conjunct Pluto and Sun.

STOP

12th house emphasis and Pluto emphasis suggesting a government orientation.
With the AP configuration - no ordinary government position!




Subject B

Pisces MC immediately suggesting multiple or a succession of vocations.
Neptune - Mercury - Jupiter - Mars - Neptune
Neptune contacts Sun, Mars, Saturn and Pluto
Take charge Moon in 10th
5th and 12th house emphasis and Uranus Oriental
Venus = Sun/Moon, Moon/Pluto and Moon/Neptune

STOP

Suggestion of artist, writer or publisher
Also innovative or avant-garde vocation in esoterics - maybe a new-age (of the time) therapeutic healing.

With familiar signatures from Arnold’s chart - Pluto contacting Saturn and Pluto-Mercury connection in 12th and Pluto’s contact to 7th house ruler, maybe a connection to government and/or service to others.



Phew! Very strenuous exercises on the brain this week... hope it pays off...


Regards,

Maz



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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2014, 07:24:44 AM »

Good morning Noel and all

Arnold Schwarzenegger

All 3 channels fulfil his Sun-Moon blend to be loved and respected for his achievements. His public and worldly success shines through Node=Su/MC and AP=Ju/Pl.

1. STAR ATHLETE
a) JuSco6(5)(-ASC Can).Pl5-Sa-Su2* with NeMC-Mo(6)-MC and MaMC-Ur-MC
b) ASC=Ju/MC; Su=Ve/Pl=Ve/Sa

2. ACTION FILM STAR
a) MaMC(-Ur-MC) q MoASC-NeMC(-MC) Q Ve! with Ju(5)-Me(=ASC)
b) 3 quintiles with Su*2,3 and AP=Ne/MC; ASC=Su/Mo; Su=Ma/MC

3. GOVERNMENT POLITICO
a) NeMC(4)-Mo(6).Sa7-Pl(both Q Node) with MaMC-Ur(12).Me4,12-Mo...
b) Ve Can!4,11 with AP=Ju/Sa; Su/Sa=Su/Pl=Ma(Gem)/MC

Male B

1. NeMC(12)(-Pl6).Me(6)12.Ju6(-MC).Ma(=MC).Ne...
...Spiritual healing, health, and service

2. Mo(10)-Sa7(5).Ve5,12(5).Pl-Ne(12)...
...Take charge position with emphasis on the occult and teaching intangibles. Ve=Su/Mo.

This man needs to be involved in spiritual service.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2014, 09:59:25 AM »


WRAP-UPS


Voc Exs  October 22-23, 2014


A:    Arnold Schwarzenegger:  July 30, 1947 at 4:10 AM in Graz Austria; Asc 19Can07

1. Immediately, we see double-bodied Pisces on the Midheaven: possibly more than one profession.  Neptune is itself in contact with the Midheaven: one professional need outlet would surely be in aesthetics.  --Neptune-Moon emphasizes this, and Venus! (quintile Neptune) does as well.  The film industry is strongly tenable (as would be interior design, architecture?).

2.  The athletic profile is keyed by the Jupiter in the 5th in contact with Pluto, mightily emphatic in its contact with Saturn.   Mars (co-ruler of the Midheaven)-Uranus completes the picture through  contact with the Moon.

3. The Moon in Capricorn echoes aesthetics through its contact with Neptune but introduces  government through Saturn dispositing the Moon, Saturn-Pluto.

STOP

This is a very difficult  three channeled vocational profile.  We learn from working backwards from Schwarzenegger’s reality.   --During the consultation, I would just listen to the balance/preference among the three, arranging a hierarchy of interest and self-application.

NOTE:I have so very often found that in such complicated profiling, midpoint pictures (extra measurements) gain very strong presence.  Several of you show this in your work as well.

Whew!

But fascinating , eh?



B.  Male: November 28, 1892 at 6:02 PM in Nuremberg Germany; Asc: 4Can33, also with a Pisces Midheaven.

1. Immediately, we see double-bodied Pisces on the Midheaven: possibly more than one profession.  Neptune is itself in contact with the Midheaven, AND also Neptune is in contact with Saturn, ruler of the 8th.  --We anticipate aesthetics (artistry)  AND  alternative healing methodologies.  Art therapy certainly comes to mind.

2.  We see Uranus!E suggesting a very strong need to express the avant garde … the avant garde in art and in healing … perhaps astrology Uranus)!

3. The two fields come together through Neptune-Saturn and Saturn.Venus.Pluto-Neptune.

STOP

This is the horoscope of Thomas Ring, very prominent, avant garde painter AND Rudhyaresque German astrologer/author.  [Sun-Neptune keys writing.]

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2014, 10:51:43 AM »

Thank you Noel!! And - once again we see a highlighted Uranus in the vocational profile -- suggesting astrology (Thomas Ring).

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2014, 12:12:09 PM »

Thank you Noel once again for these WONDER-FULL exercises.

Arnold's twist on the MHEP was very illuminating and taxing  Huh  even though we knew the result. Working back is also tricky and difficult and trying to tie in what we know with the astrology was nice.

I hope there's more of this type...


Regards,

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2014, 02:22:12 PM »

Thank you, Noel!

It's incredible just how many times the brain needs to do these exercises to get into the groove.

Welcome Bass!

Have a good weekend everyone,
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2014, 04:31:15 PM »

Thank you, Noel!

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