Lost Horary Book

[waterbird]

Alice,

I was hoping your post would tell us your Horary book had returned to you.

Now you believe you may have to wait 3+1/2 years before it returns.

This gives me some hope as my book disappeared almost 3 years ago now!

I hope the years may become weeks and days for you.

water bird

[Alice Portman]

Thanks Waterbird!

However I only have to wait for few months as the question was asked in December 2008.

In truth, I think the book has gone for good.  I can't remember lending it to anyone and if I had they would surely have returned it by now!

I can't even remember showing it to anyone, but I have so many people passing through my office that I could easily have discussed it. 

I hope you do find yours but the longer it is gone the less likely the return.  I had great hopes that I would find my horary book behind a bookcase or misfiled, but that wasn't the case.

Alice

[James Williams]

I wonder if it was somewhere along the northwest to northeast side of the house, either on the ground level or waist-high?  Just sort of musing out loud here...

[Alice Portman]

That's where I thought it would be as there was a big bookcase along that wall.  I checked all the books in the bookcase and when it wasn't there thought it might have fallen behind somehow, but when I moved it wasn't there - it wasn't in the office at all and wasn't anywhere else in the house.

So it has to have left the house somehow.  It is not in my car, so I don't know what has become of it.

Alice

[waterbird]

Alice,

I've noted when we 'let go of something' and walk away the item comes back in it's own time. We both lost a necessary and favorite Astrology book!

waterbird

[James Williams]

Perhaps you're right in that someone has taken it, and maybe it will be returned later this year at the appointed time...I've been looking at BV Raman's Jyotish book on horary astrology entitled "Prasna Tantra" and in it he has a section on Recovery of Lost Property and Identity of Thief.  I am not yet well-enough versed in Prasna Tantra, but from what I've read so far, and from looking at the corresponding Jyotish chart, certain stanzas in that book are perhaps applicable to someone having taken it...

[rj_smith]

Lets try this one.

I have lost one of my favourite Horary Books so thought I would use Horary to find it.  However, this time I'm not doing a good job so thought perhaps someone else could have a try.

Attached is the chart of the question 'Where is my Horary Book?"

Alice McDermott

Hello Alice:

I am an advocate of Barbara Watter's rules of horary astrology... I have also redrawn this chart using Placidus cusps.

This chart relates to a question that you asked more than 3 years ago...

This book was NOT 'misplaced' in your house. It never was !

The missing book, here, has two significators, Saturn and Moon.

The 1st house (Saturn, ruler) rules you, the querent.

The 2nd house (Saturn, ruler) rules your missing book.

Uranus in Pisces is also a co-significator (since Uranus rules astrology books), along with the radical Moon in Scorpio, in the 1th house.

(The Moon is ALWAYS the natural significator of the missing object).

We look at the Moon's LAST ptolemaic aspect, to determine the circumstances leading up to the matter ?

The Moon in Scorpion makes a VERY close seperating square to Neptune in Aquarius. In a missing object's chart, Neptune could signify one of two things.

Theory # 1: The book was stolen or taken by a close associate or someone known to you. (possible ?)

theory # 2: The book was absentmindedly loaned out to someone you know, or accidentally taken by someone ?(more likely)

I am leaning to Theory # 2, since Neptune co-rules the 3rd house of your mind or mental state, so Moon square Neptune could indicate mental scatteredness or mental inattentiveness.

The latter would also be corroborated by the tight but seperating inconjunction (150 degree aspect) between Saturn (ruler of the 1st) and Neptune (co-ruler of the 3rd house)

Meanwhile, the whole chart has a rather Neptunian theme to it, as Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto ALL reside in the 12th house of self-deception !  This suggests deception, self-undoing, or some other personal weakness theme ?

Since the 7th house rules close associates, such as students, business partners, etc., the book is currently occupied or owned by another person that you know or have previously met.

The 7th house is a very important house in horary astrology. It rules the other people involved in the question asked.

With Saturn in Virgo in the radical 9th house  (or turned 3rd house?) I would suggest that the book is currently "hidden" in a box or cabinet with important papers, or in a closet or place where storage is kept ?

But not in your home, but someone's else's home !

I doubt very much whether you will find it, again. (Saturn opposite Uranus ?) But if you do, it will be found accidentally, or while looking for something else... I think that you have a 70-30 chance of finding it ?

As for the time frame, with the radical Moon in a succeedent house and a fixed sign, it might take years, since Moon is 4 degrees plus, away from a sextile with Jupiter, while Mercury in Capricorn is about 4 degrees from the ascendant.

I personally don't think that the radical Moon sextile Jupiter is that helpful to this question, but radical Mercury (ruler of books) and Saturn in mutual reception IS quite helpful, as is Mercury TRINE Saturn in Virgo and SEXTILE Uranus in Pisces.

This would suggest that the object has been moved from one person to another ? A 'Pluto like' female current has the book, but the bad news is that she has lost it, as well, and doesn't know where it is, either  ! LOL

Meanwhile, 4 years and a bit is a good figure to ponder, in terms of finding your book. The reason? Mercury is 4 degrees from trine to Saturn, Mercury is 4 degrees from conjunction to Ascendant, Moon is four degrees, plus, from sextile to Jupiter (co-ruler of the 3rd house of books?)

All of this nice Mercury activity indicates that a theft is/was HIGHLY unlikely, it was more a self-inflicted 'impaling yourself with your own sword' kind of thing ?



good luck,




R.J. Smith

[waterbird]

R.J,

It is quite strange that my Ephemeris 'disappeared' almost 3 years ago now - March 20th, 2009 - and I haven't seen it again or expect to. It has my name in it and I could not find it after a hospital stay, once I was back home. It would be of no use to anyone other than an Astrologer or student of same! I don't believe I took it to the hospital. I 'replaced' the book but the new copy is inferior- spine separating with loose pages.

Your work is extremely good R.J.

water bird

[rj_smith]

R.J,

It is quite strange that my Ephemeris 'disappeared' almost 3 years ago now - March 20th, 2009 - and I haven't seen it again or expect to. It has my name in it and I could not find it after a hospital stay, once I was back home. It would be of no use to anyone other than an Astrologer or student of same! I don't believe I took it to the hospital. I 'replaced' the book but the new copy is inferior- spine separating with loose pages.

Your work is extremely good R.J.

water bird

Thanks for that, Waterbird... Unfortunately, a horary astrologer is only as good as his/her last chart ?  I am curious about your lost emphemeris, perhaps you can pose a question and post the chart, here ?

best regards,


R.J.

[Alice Portman]

I had a PM discussion with James KW using Vedic astrology.

I remembered something that might be relevant.

When I lived in my previous place my very small, frail, 90 year old neighbour was being badly bullied by two male residents who killed and maimed her tame birds as they didn't want her to feed the birds.  They also shouted at her, loomed over her and stalked her.

I became a kind of policeman for the situation, on one occasion I actually had to call the police and another the RSPCA.    The men were intimidated by me so if I was visible they didn't bother my neighbour.  To protect her and the birds I would often sit outside under a tree with books and read.

The place I sat was along my south facing wall, slightly south-east.  I am wondering if I left the book there and one of the men took it,   if this is the case I will never get it back.

 It interests me that Uranus, the modern ruler of the 2nd house of possessions, is in the third house in opposition to Saturn and Neptune, the modern ruler of the third house of neighbours, is in square to the Moon. 

The waning Moon in Scorpio in the 11th house in separating square to Neptune suggests the other alternative is a friend borrowed or took it and if this is the case I could get the book back in the middle of this year when the applying Moon sextile Jupiter is fulfilled.

When using horary astrology in the Southern Hemisphere it is important to remember that though East and West remain the same, North and South are reversed.   If you look at the local horizon chart I originally posted, you can see Saturn, which is closest to the MC, is north, not south.

Alice McDermott

[rj_smith]

When using horary astrology in the Southern Hemisphere it is important to remember that though East and West remain the same, North and South are reversed.   If you look at the local horizon chart I originally posted, you can see Saturn, which is closest to the MC, is north, not south.

Alice McDermott

Good point about the North-South reversal for southern latitudes...

Oh, you mean Brian Clark syndrome...LOL  That's an Australian joke, by the way ! Most North Americans would go HUH ! ?

Anyhow, to update our readers, apparently Brian and Alice got into a 'discussion,' some time ago, about the north-south issue on another discussion forum...LOL  I won't go into the details here, but it was pretty funny to read, since both of them tend to be very peace-loving, spiritual-type people...(and thus, tend to avoid public disputes?)

It was like the Dalai-Lama... getting into an argument with Buddha or Jesus Christ ! LOL

http://astrodynamics.net/blog/2011/07/11/does-astrology-work-in-the-southern-hemisphere/

Brian Clark needs no introduction from me. He is a decent chap and the pioneering Canadian astrologer (now living in Australia?) and former Fraternity for Canadian Astrologers President who formally introduced me to the Canadian astrological community, some 35 years ago, so I know him, quite well ! Oddly enough, he was born on the same day as rocker Bruce Springsteen and he even has the Gemini ascendant to match...

Seriously, what a weird/interesting story you have mentioned about your neighbour and the meeting with the thugs...

What this also means is that Uranus becomes the highest planet in the chart and not Saturn...but since Uranus in found in the radical 3rd house, and it rules astrology books, both are equally significant... I first became aware of the North - South reversal, many years ago, when I did a natal chart for a client from Brazil and the American Book of Tables (edited by Neil Michelson and Robert hand, no less!) I was using at the time noted that reversal for south of the equator charts...  

In spite of your latest story (about your neighbor's dispute), I still believe that this book was accidentally loaned out to someone you knew or know...such as a student, a friend or close associate...(7th house matter?)

If your neighbor's bully took the book, then the 9th house ruler (or 7th from the 3rd house of neighbors) would be involved...But according to the Moon's seperating square to Neptune, it was a person known to YOU. (7th house?)

Will you get the book back ? We'll see !


R.J.

[waterbird]

Greetings R.J.

I did draw up a Horary chart to help me find my lost Ephemeris several months after I realised it was missing and not in my home. I looked at the chart some weeks later and found I has somehow used 1961 as the year and not 2009! As we know we cannot ask the same question again. I did a further chart and the Asc is @ 29/20 Scorpio so I can only assume the Ephemeris is lost forever!

Still I feel I took it to the hospital with me along with another book, a popular novel which came home with me and some how the Ephemeris didn't!

I hope your book returns Alice. It's not a good idea to try to explain the Southern Climes to our Northern friends!

water bird

[rj_smith]

the 2009 chart seems still valid...to me... I would repost that....


R.J.

[James Williams]

Having just read Joan McEvers rules on finding lost items, I thought it might be helpful to post them here...

--Thank you, Jim. --NT

1. All lost items are located from the sign on the cusp of the 2nd House, its ruler, and any planets in this house.  

2. Where you find the ruler of the 2nd House is the first place to look for the lost object.  The sign and house of that planet will provide clues.

3. The signs also describe possible places where lost items may be located.

4. Directions are judged from the actual directions in the chart.

5. Colors can sometimes be significant in locating lost articles.

6. The Part of Fortune.

7. Retrograde planets are more meaningful in lost item horary.

8. Dispositors are very significant when searching for a misplaced article.

9. If the planet ruling the lost item is in Virgo, Pisces, the 6th or 12th House, it is usually not visible and may be found in a drawer, cupboard, pocket, or some other enclosed place.

From pages 78-81 in her 1994 book with Marion March entitled, "The Only Way to Learn about Horary and Electional Astrology, Volume 6"

[James Williams]

So using McEvers rules on finding lost items, the missing horary book would be delineated as follows...

1. Aquarius, Uranus (McEvers primarily uses modern rulers in her system), Venus, and Neptune

2. Uranus is located in Pisces in the 3rd House.  The 3rd House refers to "In the car or garage.  A sibling may have it or know where it is.  In a desk or where letters or books are kept.  At a store or market.  The TV or media room, study, desk, hallway, and stairway.  Buses, taxis.  Homes of siblings or neighbors.  Schools.  Northeast direction" (ibid., p. 83).

3. Pisces: "Springs, rivers, or ponds with fish.  Old houses, cisterns, wells, places of seclusion or hidden.  Near plumbing, dairies, kitchens, lakes, rivers, ponds, fountains, near water of any kind"  (ibid., p. 82).

4. "If the 2nd House ruler is in the 3rd House, the [lost item] may be in the northeast section of the house" (ibid., p. 81).

5. Uranus = plaids/checks/mingled...Pisces = turquoise (ibid., p. 84).

6. The POF is in Sagittarius ("Stables, barns, hills, and high lands.  Libraries, upper floors of a house.  Near heat such as a stove, furnace, fireplace, or chimney.  In the upper part of the room") in the 11th House ("A meeting place, lodge, or clubhouse.  A friend may have seen it or put it someplace.  Any work area in the home.  South by East").  Jupiter disposits it and is located in Capricorn ("At work, parents home, bushy, barren or thorny places.  In dark corners near the ground, farming areas or mines.  Near floor or pavement, in cellar or basement, or underground") in the 1st House ("This house represents the place where the querent spends the most time, also the entry hall, front porch, front door and the windows of a house.  East") .

7. No retrograde planets here.

8. "Not only will the 2nd House ruler and the POF provide clues, so will their dispositors, especially as to color and direction" (ibid., p. 81).  So Neptune disposits Uranus in Pisces, and Neptune is in Aquarius (Hilly, uneven ground.  Vineyards, roofs, windows.  Lecture halls, airplanes.  Up high, possibly outside hanging on a line or in a tree.  Sky blue color") in the 2nd.

9. Uranus is in Pisces, so "it is usually not visible and may be found in a drawer, cupboard, pocket, or some other enclosed place" (ibid., p. 81).