Peregrine Moon

[deilf]

     Hi, Tim!
     Thank you for the sharing of your experience!
    Can you write a few words about your mother and your relationship with her?
    Especially in your early years and from the point of view of your child's recollections and feelings.
    For example, the lady I'd mentioned above was born as one of a twins, but her sister died after a month and her mother became dissapointed, she hided her  feelings and all this led to the absense of emotional contact with her second daughter.
    In two other cases I know mothers of the natives became invalids in the result of accidents. But these examples are a little bit extremal manifestations of the peregrine Moon.
I'll be very grateful!
Deilf

[Tim Neilson]

Deilf

The relationship I experienced with my mother was crowded out by many other siblings craning their necks for attention. There is/was one child for each planet in our nuclear family...

Being smack in the middle I remember vying for that attention along with my older and younger siblings. But what I most remember was experiencing the very strong and dominating personality of a women who was not only managing a household but was also managing all these children and a difficult marriage. So, you can imagine that even mundane errands required a militaristic bark and orderliness just to get through the day. Mom is revered in the family myth as a 'saint' for having managed so well. My experience was that of "Saint Terese's" (Mother Terese) darker side... aggressive, impatient, demanding, critical, opinionated... and on and on... interestingly she says the same about me today and we laugh about it together when we have the occasion to share lunch...

As significant, perhaps moreso than the Moon! in Aries, is Pluto so close to my Nodal Axis. "Mom's" influence is certainly a key construct to my chart and to my understanding myself and my development. Pluto is retrograde and rules the Ascendant. The suggestion of a maternal smothering affecting personality development is very strong. In a consultation with me you would discover that my relationship with my mother veered me away from creative outlets and pursuits.

Tim

[Lura]

As tr. Sun gets lit up in Leo this morning, take a look at the sails of Blain Bovee @ Boveeastrology.com.    If one were to click on 'further' notes on his entries, one finds reference to twins at a critical 29 degree.
Carol Rushman relates 29 Cancer can be the 'millionaires' degree.  Suppose that could mean feeling "like a million bucks!"  I'll be happy with just two.

My Leo Moon Sabian, 3 Leo, "deer with its horns folded."  For now.

Thank you both for the added inscentive here.  Sensitively.

[Halina]

Hi Lura, Please draw up Sylvia Plath's chart with her peregrine Moon in the 7th.
   Peregrine Moon always tells a story and intimates something of a dissociation complex. These people disconnect according to the nature of sign and house. In Plath’s case a romantic reverie is implied, and she may have dreamt long and often about the perfection of her great love. In Libra too there is an overwhelming need to be considered attractive, fair (in all senses) and interesting, which gels not at all well with the reality of her marriage to Hughes who was often considered to be something of a brute (his subsequent wife whom he left Plath for also committed suicide incidentally, and many consider it no coincidence that he is a common denominator in the relationships.) Peregrine Moon too often tells of a feeling of emptiness and isolation which seems to permeate her poetry too: “Empty, I echo to the least footfall,/ Museum without statues, grand with pillars, porticoes, rotundas./ In my courtyard a fountain leaps and sinks back into itself,/ Nun-hearted and blind to the world.” (From “Barren Woman”) And her mother too! What impact must it have had on the young Sylvia to see her mother so alone and widowed, even if she considered her father to be rigid and incompassionate? Children love and miss even bad fathers of course.
     Sylvia Plath’s final days were a true tale of peregrinated Moon in Libra cast down. Her isolation was complete, the reigning need of her life, to be loved, to be the wife, to be exalted by her union of love was broken and the distress of her lost father and her intellectual self-doubt crowded in on her. She died just as Saturn (husband and father) applied by Solar Arc to her Ascendant whilst simultaneously squaring Chiron. The pain of the men in her life and the great weight of disappointment seems somehow to be born at that point, brought into the light for all the world to see as Saturn crossed ponderously into the first while Venus also squared Pluto by Solar Arc at this exact juncture, love and death configured in with the burden of isolation; loss and loneliness. Or in the words of her final poem:

Edge

The woman is perfected.
Her dead
Body wears the smile of accomplishment,
The illusion of a Greek necessity
Flows in the scrolls of her toga,
Her bare
Feet seem to be saying:
We have come so far, it is over.
Each dead child coiled, a white serpent,
One at each little
Pitcher of milk, now empty.
She has folded
Them back into her body as petals
Of a rose close when the garden
Stiffens and odors bleed
From the sweet, deep throats of the night flower.
The moon has nothing to be sad about,
Staring from her hood of bone.
She is used to this sort of thing.
Her blacks crackle and drag.

 

[Lura]

Halina,

Wow!  Thank you.  I will take a look.

My Grandmother was also a Hughes!  It is my connection to England and I think her relationship could shed alot more light on my own very tenuous situation.

The poem an added surprise!*

Thank you deeply for sharing

[Lura]

Halina,

It is a little bizarre that I found myself sitting with someone in the office of a cosmetic surgeon today, support for someone needing necessary surgery to breathe better...and as I sat, I reviewed Sylvia's chart AND, the book I pulled from my shelf which contains it.  "Her Husband, Hughes and Plath -- A Marriage," Diane Middlebrook.

It is sad, that in its introduction, after the death of his wife, Hughes reflects on the telephathy they shared, similar yet different.  What was created in the union of both lives on, almost as if I suspect 'The Secret Life of Bees' would...her resistance found so beautifully, so personally Plutonic, in those words that became for him "This time don't fail me."  These latter words began Hughes' afterlife at 50 yrs old, as a Plutonic persona, as Middlebrook says, "that the voice in poetry had to issue from a human being situated in historical time and place, engaged in attempting to 'cure' a wounding blow to his psyche..."

He is her Saturn, containing her 'poetic DNA' and the 'knot of obsession,' as Middlebrook says, "marks the turning point in his creative life, showing in a set of images how the poet's powers were summoned back to him..."  She says, he is no longer a man in form, but stepping naked, as a persona.

Calling, summons, had it to be?  Ceres=calling?  My Venus with her Uranus has never felt such freedom.

Thank you again

[Lura]

Halina,

There is a little astrological analysis in the book, as well as both of their charts.  He learned astrology from his sister and was deep in it.  However, he was a 'reluctant Leo' and it colored his poems as well as his words, "The Solar System Married Us!"

As the author writes, their meeting has astrological emphasis from Hughes: 

Saturday, February 25, 1956  Cambridge University

He heard her voicing one of his poems, above the din, about two men meeting, the 'blood consciousness,' an allusion to D. H. Lawrence, a primal bristle.

His birthchart:  Solar Midnight

August 17, 1930 1:11 AM  Mytholmroyd, West Yorkshire
Ascendant, 1 Cancer

Neptune conjunct Sun

The night before his marriage to Plath, this is activated.  "Two artistic personae jousting"

He believe fixed stars governed a life, and astrology provided a bridge.  The ideal aristic wildman was Beethoven, and they listened to his last quartet.  As Hughes was able to find the single repeating pattern and taproot to Shakespeare's writings, a 'knot of obssession,' so to, it acted itself out in relationship, the tearing apart that occurs in time of Reformation and Revolution.

And at the end of his life, he too, searches for the lost voice of his mother, where he was born.  He bases his last book on the memory of her voice, her influence on his vocation.

Ted Hughes was not a 'literalist' of Astrology, a friend says.  "Ted saw astrology not as a science but as an instrument for the vivid expression of intuitive insights." [p.9]

[Lura]

yet, the astrology is telling ...

t-square Juno, Node, Pluto-Pallas, release to 'Noel' (BIRTH) in 5th, intercepted house.

t-square Eros conjunct Chiron, Sun, MH, release to 6th ruled by Pluto.

natal 'Noel' 21 Libra
progressed Moon 24 Aries conjunct natal Node

[Lura]

I am contemplating Noel's astute observation of the gypsy in us needing hindrance...

Dylan Thomas' Aquarian Moon, I had to take a look at the ground from which his 'gypsy' sprung, both literally and intellectually.

What I found, is most interesting in Constantine Fitzgibbon's 'The Life of Dylan Thomas.'  I found this book recently at a 'Goodwill' store, and it is becoming a true treasure.

Dylan MARLAIS Thomas
October 27, 1914
Swansea, UK
8:56 PM
Ascendant  15 Cancer

Dylan Thomas would have become a poet probably anywhere born, however, the author provides a sensitive and accurate view that who he became, his voice, was UNIQUE to Swansea, the language, the geography, the ancestry.  Some similarities noted for America in its early days.


Provocative is the author's statement:  "How long do these special qualities of imagery survive the loss of the language in which they are most naturally expressed?" [p.4]  "Writers in times of transition produce a "heightened awareness" of the 'new' language, even if they have never known the old."  Intensely self-conscious and beautiful prose flourishes.

Dylan had a very unique and close bond with his father.  Saturn Rx conjunct Pluto Rx Cancer AP.  The Welsh looked to preachers and poets as their superiors.  Along with this, of course comes the moral lessons.  Especially on the flesh.  The author says "Their manner of making love is their prime means of communication with others--indeed for them it may almost be the only means."  Yet, these same humble folk embrace Puritanism, to "cloak the gypsy," so to speak, to be protected, the need of their passions.  Peregrine Moons?  The word free, within limits.

Dylan's father, failed not only in ambition, but also in what he wished to communicate.  The bottle was a vice; he sensitively lectured his son.  Alcoholism was a failure of will.  A harsh school master he was, but "what they did love was when he read aloud to his class, for he had a most melodious and beautiful voice and his knowledge and passsion were such that he breathed life into the poems he read them." [p.14]  They called him professor.  In the pub nightly, his opinions revered.  To son, a "closeness limited in expression, but it was LOVE rather than friendship."

A meeting point, geographically, a junction between land and ocean, a "two-tongued sea," Dylan grew up for most of his life.  The artist has to make a pattern out of this chaos, a synthesis, like the author hints, "the division even passed through his body."  He could not swim, yet only ever happy by the sea.?

Gypsy protected.  I like that Noel.  For in this alcove, one can create his/her own, artistic values, techniques, modes of expression "unpressurized by fashion," as Dylan had.

A good lesson for my Peregrine Moon, and my relationship with my own father.  Like Ruth in biblical terms, and the "cloak spread over the maid."  To be true to what one loves.  Dylan's Mercury ruled 4th. 

[Lura]

James Kenneth,

Going through some old stuff and found a Vedic Moon analysis done for me about 4 years ago.  Don't know if it is correct?

According to Vedic, my Moon is in Cancer.  A crooked bent and fast walk, plus a medium height and thick neck.  Moon in 8th nakshatra:  The Moon is in Pushya.  You have great self-discipline, self-control, and have a composed mind.  You are industrious, enjoy learning, tend to be well liked and highly regarded, and you have the capacity to be successful.

Moon in Cancer rasi:  According to De Luce, "The native will walk crookedly but fast, with his body bent (tenacity of purpose, especially when thwarted); the hips will be high (philosophical Jupiter exalted in Cancer); will be subject to the influence of women (feminine rather than masculine in nature); will be a good friend (inborn sense of universality).  He will be versed in astrology and build a big house ("In my Father's House there are many Mansions").  His wealth will increase and decrease as the waxing and waning Moon (he will be alternately generous and tight).  He will be short and have a thick neck (restrained and obstructive toward assimilating the ideas of others), but capable of being won over by sweet words, as well as being a good speaker himself.  Will be attached to this friends, and fond of water and parks (in rapport with Mother Nature)."

Also, I learn my Helio Mercury trine Jupiter, tight orb.  And, Mercury and Ascendant in Astrology degrees.  Go figure.

What say you?

[James Kenneth Williams]

Hi Lura, just saw this now...will respond more later...

[James Kenneth Williams]

Symbols for Pushya include a flower, a circle, and an arrow.  A flower represents "the blossoming of latent faculties, the possibility of attaining the archetype...it is actually an alchemical crucible in which the base metal lead is turned into the precious metal gold.  The flower is considered a symbol of the process of making the subjective or the latent faculties, inner symmetry and perfection, into an objective reality and a thing of beauty.  In a different way, this symbol represents the 'bythos', the great deep in which all the potentialities lie ready to be made manifest...The flower symbol does not indicate that the acme of achievement has been attained.  It represents the beauty and symmetry destined to be gained.  The act of blossoming is more emphasized here than the attainment of perfection...

The circle as a symbol of Pushya...merely shows that the final dimensions up to which the soul must manifest have been demarcated and the necessary forces required for its fulfillment have been apportioned.  The plan for the individual is now complete.

The arrow takes the idea further.  As the support for carrying out the mission has been bestowed, the arrow symbolizes the aspiration necessary for attaining the goal.  It indicates the psychological preparedness prerequisite for externalizing latent faculties.  The arrow is a missile to hit a target.  For this purpose, the various faculties given to the soul will be used...

The symbols that represent Pushya...have a common quality of vibrant tranquility, absence of undue agitation, a faith in oneself and the fullness of life.  Such a psychological structure can exist only when the individual has attained a stage of growth where there is full faith in the Divine plan and an unflinching confidence in oneself.  At this stage of development, the individual integrates the unfathomable cosmic height and his deepest inner self.  The purification of the psyche and an intuitive perception of the Divine plan are the unique characteristics of Pushya" (from pages 194-195 in "Myths and Symbols of Vedic Astrology" by Bepin Behari, edited by David Frawley, 2003).

[Lura]

Simply beautiful*  sound so easy for a word like 'pushya.'

Yet, I read of Marie Curie, and it fits so well here, when she finally steps off the train in Paris, and feels FREE! and so grateful.  Russian occupation was so hard on her.

Sexual Intercourse with Pushya, well I thought it quite interesting to learn of Eros representing also, thoughts and dreams, my that does seem to fit the scenario of experience, pre-cognitive dreaming, the patterns, the root, the expansion, the BLOOM!

Truly, 'The Moon does not SEEM to know its own BEAUTY!'

Thanks

[Lura]

As I am up to the beginning when Dylan Thomas meets Caitlin who will become his bride, I have just read of a 'true bond' with his friend, Vernon Watkins.  He was able to see what Dylan was expressing, in Dylan's own words, "the ideal place to be is a womb with a view."  I know this too.  My poetry parallels the quest for a place that cannot exist?  why then?  Watkins can help.

His first impressions of Dylan when they met:  "In thought and words, he was anarchic, challenging with the certainly of that instinct which knows its own freshly discovered truth...  My first impression of rooted obstinacy, which was really a rooted innocence."  [Fitzgibbon, p. 163]

We don't have a chart for Vernon, other than noting the stellia in Cancer of Mercury, Mars, Neptune, the Sun!  in opposition of his Uranus in Capricorn.  His Taurean Ceres opposite Dylan's Mercury-Mars.  How often the 'trusted' mentor arrives for a man of this nature?  In Vernon's biography, another baby was born the same night in Maesteg Glamorgan, "John Earthquake Jones!," so just maybe this is fate?!*  All Vernon's Cancer on Dylan's Ascendant?

I share the Mars Cancer theme AP, and how often it is film (Leo) that releases me, yet how often not.  My Moon in Leo and the EYE relates with say, an Otto Preminger Mars, in the film 'Laura' - tweeking just a few things to bring the effect into focus.  Such as exchanging a painting for a photograph, oiled for effect, or changing the score for subtlety...

Vernon understood Dylan in terms of 'imaginative separation,' the way Dylan's view could be seen.  Reading a poem, "A View of the Sea" Dylan had written for his friend, this was clear.  Orbiting around a group is sometimes necessary, if one were too sensitive, and picks up way too much, to be effective in its own expression.  Dylan's poem was set to music.  Otto's new score, by bringing in Mercer, eventually became the most recorded song, second only to 'Stardust.!'

A Moon in 7th, does the public appreciate a way to "womb the view?"

[Alyza]

I have a friend with the Moon-peregrine in Cancer. Her emotional contact with mother is very weak (though they live together). Her mother doesn't like to share her emotions, she is Capricornian enough. As a result my friend can not accept her emotional needs (only mind!), her femininity, she is separated with her body (as her therapist says), she doesn't want to have children and doesn't understand why people want. Earlier once a month her Moon ("Great mother") became erratic up to possession. Now she manages with it.

My Moon is also peregrine in Cancer - it's in the third house. It's also square the Node. I also had trouble emotionally relating to my mother in a positive way. I had wonderful relationship with my father (my Sun is in the 5th house) and as a result I identified with him, everything he represented for me. Luckily, my father was a nurturing type and my Cancer Moon is everything the archetype would mean - I feed & nurture everybody around me, I love being a mother, security of a home base, etc... my emotional side I experience as extremely vulnerable & I protect it with a hard shell...

The third house peregrine situation means that communication with other people (like keeping in contact, socializing) I need to make into a careful, very conscious affair - it doesn't come naturally to me, although I appreciate the value of it.

This Moon is a final dispositor in my chart and is exactly quintile the Venus in Libra in the fifth, the other final dispositor. I feel that this is my lifeline - the way I relate to the world that offers the best of me - through creativity of one sort or another and kindness.

So, it seems to me that there is a way around the "dissociation complex" on the level of personal experience  - first of all through awareness and then creative management of personal resources. The process is extremely rewarding, but it never feels like "second nature", if you know what I mean. With peregrine Moon one always feels like one has just woken up on another planet.