Voc Exs July 28-29, 2010

[Noel Tyl]

Voc Exs  July 28-29, 2010



A.   Adolf von Hildebrand was a monumental sculptor and architect in the grand kingdom era of Germany.  Enormous works, fountains, high-energy statue-portraits. He was born October 6, 1847 at 4:45 PM LMT in Marburg, Germany; Asc: 20Pisces36.

Prove the process with your vocational profile.


B.   Male: August 2, 1834 at 6:30 AM LMT in Colmar FRANCE; Asc: 29Leo09.

--Discover his vocational profile.


Noel Tyl

[Dean Bensics]

Good Morning Noel:

Male (A):

1) MC-Sat!.Nep(-MC)-Mo₅(165)-Mar(2).Ven*₂…structure and material form; architecture and sculpture; creative artistry and aesthetics.

2) MC-Mer₃-Sat(135), Nep; AP=Mer/Sat; MC=Mer/Nep…communicating through design and aestheticism; capturing reality through an artistic medium.

CONCLUSION: An artist-architect whose aesthetic creativity involves shaping and sculpting to replicate reality.

Male (B):

1) Su*₁₂-Jup₅, Sat₅, Plu…creative inspiration and passion; possibly teaching with Mo(E).

2) MC-Ven!₃-Nep(135)…artistic communications; aesthetic design.

3) MC=Ur*!_DSC-Su*(165)…humanitarian outreach to others via a creative obsession.

4) Mo*^!_E,11…a strong social/group consciousness focusing on sentimental attachments to home and family.

CONCLUSION: A creative artist who expresses a social message with humanitarian impact and emotional punch.

Excellent work.
Don't forget the energy of "need" in your write-ups.  --Presumably, Bertholdi used his wife for model of Liberty's body and his mother for the face #4 above!!!
Dean Bensics

[Michael Symms]

Dear Noel,   .Michael.... these two together: perhaps the best work you've ever done!  That closer for Man B is a WOW moment!

Thank you for another chance to practice and learn.


A) Adolf von Hildebrand

1. MC. Jupiter (in 5). Moon (5). Mercury (-MC). Venus* (-Nodes, 7th); Mercury-Neptune; MC=Mercury/Neptune; Sun Q MC…creativity and artistry are given public exposure.  (This could suffice, but…)

2. Knowing his work, we might observe:  Saturn Q Midheaven…creative structures; AP=Saturn/Pluto…earth resources given form and definition for all to see.

STOP.

This gentleman needs to visualize and create artistic structures for public enjoyment and utilization.


B) Male: August 2, 1834

1. MC. –Venus! (3). Mercury (-MC). Sun*; 3 Q’s; Uranus=Venus/Neptune…Aesthetic creativity commands our attention, likely with an avant-garde flair.

2. Uranus* (-MC, r6) on the angle suggests a public humanitarian orientation; the MoonE*^ suggests a teaching orientation.

STOP.

This gentleman needs to express himself as an artist, perhaps with an avant-garde style.  He may also teach and mentor.

I would add…he may well incorporate social relevance into his art; or perhaps, co-incidentally, express a humanitarian purpose.   WOW


I look forward to the wrap-up!

Kind Regards,

Michael

[Reina Hanson]

Hi Noel!

These were very interesting.  Here’s my take:    Top to bottom, these two profiles are simply superb!

Adolph Von Hildebrand
Oct. 6, 1847; Marburg, GER; 4:45 PM

Sag -Jupiter(10/9) – Moon(5) – Mercury(3/7) – Venus*(7/2)
 
1.   As a whole, routing, keying Jupiter and ending w/Venus*(7/2) in a Libra cluster in the 7th , brings together communication, aesthetics and public outreach needs [Mh=Moon(5) /Venus*(2/7)].  The major channel of his art (as we know) is sculpting, perhaps seen through Saturn disp. Neptune;  both –Mh = substance given to aesthetic vision through form and structure.  

2.   Needs his work to be publicly viewed (Venus* r.2 -Node).  Communication needs will likely include writing.  Creativity and originality are at the core of his personality.

Summary
This highly talented sculptor needs to boldly convey the ideals of beauty and harmony (Libra) through aesthetic principals of form and structure (Saturn! disp. Neptune; both –Mh; Sun/Jupiter=Saturn/Neptune) to evoke inspiration and awe.

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Male #2
Aug. 2, 1834; @6:30 AM LMT, Colmar, FR;   Asc. 29?leo 09

Taurus Mh Venus!(10/3) – Mercury(2/11) – Sun*(12)

Routing keys Venus!(-Mh; r.3) in contact w/MoonE*^ and Neptune (-Mh),  bringing together aesthetics, communication and public outreach needs.  The addition of angular Uranus* (at 7th (r.6/7) adds the need for an idealistic social voice within his work, the artistic medium of which, is likely sculpting [(Mars(9)=Saturn(co.r 5)/Neptune(disp Saturn), following the logic of the Saturn-Neptune pairing from Male #1 above].

Summary
Through aesthetic principals of form and structure (Mars=Saturn/Neptune), this very creative sculptor needs to express and arouse emotional appeal to express humanitarian ideals (of home and family?) by way of enormous public/international outreach.  He is likely also an architect.  

Many regards ……………………… Reina

[Tim Neilson]

Adolf von Hildebrand
October 6, 1847 at 4:45 PM LMT in Marburg, Germany

1. Sagittarius on the midheaven ruled by Jupiter_9-MC.Moon₅.Mercury_3-4,7.Venus*_2-7

His academic mind needs a teaching modality and an international scope. He needs to communicate and relate to the public through his artistic expression.

2. Venus-Node contact the Sun which quintiles the midheaven

Artistic flair and popularity needs to reach out publicly.

3. Saturn_11-MC.Neptune_Asc.Uranus₁₂.Mars₁.Venus*_2-7

Needs to control and administrate his artistic vision. His art 'work' needs a technological thrust.

4. Pluto_8-MC and opposed Mercury.

Needs to have contacts with government and through profitable partnerships he needs to conceptualize in very broad terms.

STOP

Hildebrand’s fulfillment needs to be derived from a creative outlet that gains an appreciative international following. Point #3 above suggests architect or sculptor. Without knowing the identity I would merely have suggested a hard working artist. And that would have sufficed to have a practical strategic conversation with the client, who might very well have been ensnared in some bank somewhere.  This is good work indeed, Tim.Perhaps Moon q Neptune relates to his form obsession along with Mars [earth] trine the Moon [earth].

Male: August 2, 1834 at 6:30 AM LMT in Colmar FRANCE; Asc: 29Leo09.

1. Taurus on the midheaven ruled by Venus!₃.Mercury_2-11.Sun*₁₂

Artistic communication. In addition, Venus contacts the midheaven repeating the call for art. Leading an artistic/style movement.

2 Saturn-Mc which is disposited by Venus…Sun₁₂

Needs a disciplined approach to details; the ideal… and routes back into the original routing above.

3 Uranus!*₇-Mc and –Sun₁₂

He needs to be very independent... and original… advancing technique… working with institutions. He needs to press for advancing political (democratic) and humanistic principles.   Excellent!

4. Moon^ in 11 contacts both Saturn and Venus; Moon Oriental…

He needs to amplify his message publicly, ambitious creativity that intends to proselytize a message. The prophet of the people.  WOW!!!!!!!!!!..........  Absolutely tenable, real!

STOP

This is the profile of an artist with a mission. A prophet of new ideas. Communicating, teaching and partnering with the public.

[ryu]

Hello, Mr. Tyl and everybody,

Thank you very much for the vital astrological exercise.

No. 1 male

1. Sagittarius MH: Jupiter(-Uranus).Moon.Mercury(-Pluto).Venus*.  Circulation of unique self-expression out of idealistic sensitivity comes to mind.  In short, communication of aesthetic sense.  Yes.

2. Neptune and Mercury both touches Midheaven directly, which support the theme of aesthetic communication.  Sun and Saturn! both touches Midheaven and adds Saturnistic traits to aesthetic communication.  Governmental affiliation or business is also thought about.  Fine.

3. Stellium in 7th with its ruler Mercury and Venus fairly emphasized suggests need for public projection.  Moon ruling 5th located close to the 7th cusp supports the same needs.

4. The Moon is in earth sign of Virgo, peregrine Saturn is in touch with Midheaven.  Those points suggest need to deal with tangible things.

STOP

This person needs to communicate and circulate aesthetic sensitivity in tangible way, possibly related to government or large organization  This is good profiling indeed, ryu; and I know you could have gone further with this!

No. 2 male

1. Taurus MH: Venus!.Mercury(-Pluto).Sun*(-Jupiter-Saturn).  The routing suggests expression of idealism with advocation and point to prove. [very clever!!] Venus also rules 3rd and aesthetic communication is to be an important theme.

2. The final-dispositer Sun touches Jupiter and Saturn which both are the ruler of 5th.  The Jupiter is in 10th with Mars which contacts Neptune, charismatic performer comes to mind.

3. The Moon is oriental, which suggests teaching or coaching.

STOP

This person needs to perform to communicate aesthetic sensitivity charismatically, and may also teach or coach the art.

ryu  This is very very fine work, ryu!  Congratulations.

[deilf]

Dear Noel!
Thank you for new chance to practice!

Sorry to say but in both cases I can prove only the aesthetic communication channel,[THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO DO!  Let the artist client do the rest!  ... After all, your help would be revelatory if, say, your client were suffering continuously working in bank, for example... having a secret artistic life as a hobby etc.! but I can't understand what details of horoscopes indicate the fact that both men were sculptors. (I know that second man was a sculpter too).
 
That's why I didn't place my MHEP here this time.

Deilf

[Kathy Rose]

Hello Noel.
I love the "prove the process" approach. I always ask myself "what do I expect to see in the profile?" That's exactlywhat trains the mind...even subliminally, to anticipate patterns of meaning!With the sculptor, I expected to see the normal artistic signature - and also possibly Saturn and Mars. Interesting that we see Saturn! in the first chart.


Male born Oct 6 1847

1. Sagittarius MC keys Jupiter IN the 5th . Moon (5) QD Neptune..... an initial statement of creativity and aesthetics. Moon in Virgo suggests a detailed and precise energy  Excellent.... the master craftsman. Understanding structure in order to be able to achieve precision is suggested by Saturn!

2. Moon leads us to Mercury (3,4,7) . Venus FD (2,7). Mercury is in touch with Neptune (echo of creativity and aesthetics) - Venus contacts Sun..... strong soloistic approach in an artistic field with powerful public energy. He will need to have his work on display.

3. AP = Sun/Moon and MC ruler also rules 9th..... strong potential for high visibility internationally. Excellent

STOP

This man needs to be involved with high creativity and artistic expression - with a detailed, precise approach. He needs to have his work on display - with high public energy.


Male born Aug 2 1834

1. Taurus MC keys Venus ! (3).... immediately we see he needs to communicate an artistic message. This is echoed by Mercury = Neptune/AS.

2. Venus leads us to Mercury (2,11) QD Neptune and is also in contact with Sun (1)..... echo of arts and aesthetics. There is the suggestion of  a soloistic approach and the need to have his work on display. Public appeal is suggested by AP = Sun/MC.

3. Mercury leads us to the Sun QD Uranus (6,7) -- powerful need for individualism and humanitarian energy.

STOP

This man needs to communicate through art. He could easily attract public attention through his unique and innovative approach.  Superb!

Thanks,
Kathy Rose

[Noel Tyl]

WRAP-UPS

---You all did so very very very well!  Aren't you pleased with what you've learned?  It's formidable......






Voc Exs  July 28-29, 2010



Adolf von Hildebrand was a monumental sculptor and architect in the grand kingdom era of Germany.  Enormous works, fountains, high-energy statue-portraits. He was born October 6, 1847 at 4:45 PM LMT in Marburg, Germany; Asc: 20Pisces36.



Male: October 6, 1847 at 4:45 PM LMT in Marburg, Germany


1.  The Sagittarius Midheaven keys Jupiter; then we follow Jupiter.Moon ruling the creativity 5th-in touch with Neptune, itself in touch with the Midheaven. --The Moon is in touch with Mars, disposited by Venus*.  ….This suggests strongly a profession in the arts.  --The Jupiter suggests grand scope.

2. MH-Mercury.Venus*  Again, an “arts” statement, perhaps architecture and writing through Mercury’s rulership of the 4th and 3rd.

NOTE: a keen observation could be the vigor of Mars (in Taurus) within the emergent signature, suggesting sculpture.  --And the key Jupiter for size; recalling Michelangelo’s Jupiter! ruling his Ascendant.

STOP



Male: August 2, 1834 at 6:30 AM LMT in Colmar FRANCE; Asc: 29Leo09

1. The Taurus Midheaven keys Venus!.Mercury.Sun*, with Mercury-Sun in touch with Neptune.Saturn, co-ruling the creative 5th.  --We have a creative arts signature forming.

2. Moon^E (the need for recognition, grand display of productivity) in touch with Saturn, co-ruler of the 5th, disposited by Venus!  --Possibility of teaching dimension.

3. Saturn, the key here, is in touch with Jupiter, ruler of the 5th  --Three quintiles fill out the creativity portrait.

NOTE: the emphasis on Saturn here in a creative-arts profile suggests administrative structure within art, perhaps commissions that serve the people, the government; this is echoed by Uranus* on an angle, ruling the 6th.

STOP

This is the horoscope of Frederic Bartholdi, the sculptor of the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor [“Liberty enlightening the World” -- interesting teaching function for the statue!], a gift from the French people to the United States of America.




BRAVO ALL!  NT

[Kathy Rose]

Great teaching about the sculptor profile!! Wonderful.

Thank you Noel.

Kathy

[Dean Bensics]

Thank-you Noel.

Regards,

Dean Bensics

[Michael Symms]

Thank you, Noel!

Sincerely,

Michael

[Tim Neilson]

Thank you Noel...

It would be a noble mission to free as many ensnared bankers as humanly possible who may be trapped in the wrong profession. LOL I like that idea...

This focus on the creative channel was especially interesting given the 'other' supportive dimensions required... in each case here Saturn...

Tim

[Reina Hanson]

Noel:

I loved this exercise and believe me, I learned a lot!!!  In the second exercise, it was easy to spot the aesthetic profile, but fitting it into what  aesthetic medium, was a challenge!  I know that all I had to do was get the aesthetic channel, but inquiring minds want to know!!!!

I am especially appreciative for the sculpting "tips" you provided.  I did think of the energy inherent in ars in Taurus.  To me, strong Taurus is an indicator of a sculptor or architect, ahtough I do think that Mars in Taurus and Saturn-Neptune is really what clinched it for me.

Once again, thank you for your gracious patience and for these incredible opportunities to continue to learn and learn and ....  well, you know.

Kindest regards .......................... Reina

[ryu]

Dear Mr. Tyl,

Thank you very much for the edit and the wrap-up.  This time, I had thought about sculptor for the second case, but I couldn't be so sure about it so I wrote it in general terms.  I have to do much more cases to be sure going beyond those basic five channels.

Sincerely,

ryu