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Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again
« on: June 11, 2011, 03:01:06 PM »
Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again


I just started getting interested in Golden Section Astrology again. Dr. Theodor Landscheidt devised aspects based on the Golden Section aka Divine Proportion. On a hunch, I checked to see if transiting Uranus is in a golden section aspect to a personal planet in my chart.

 Golden Section Aspects:
21.25°, 42.49°, 47.51°, 68.75°, 111.25°, 132.49°, 137.51°,158.75°, 34.38°, 55.62°, 124.38° and 145.62°


I figure a 10 minute maximum orb would be good to use with golden section transits.
 

It turns out that I have the following golden section transits:

Transiting Uranus 132.49 My Venus - '01 applying
Transiting Venus 132.49 My Uranus - '00

 

I was right! I do have transiting Uranus in a golden section transit to a personal planet - my Venus. It's almost exact. I also have transiting Venus in a golden section aspect to Uranus, and it's exact. Both aspects are the same golden section angle - 132.49! That is an incredible synchronicity. This definitely shows that I am meant to be interested in Golden Section Astrology. Of course, these transits fit with me starting the Divergent Astrology fanpage. It also fits with major changes in my life. It looks like a good time to have a little fun and excitement too! hahahahahaha! Any ways.....Golden Section aspects definitely work. They don't just work as natal aspects. They also work as transits.



I have Uranus Golden Section Aspects in my natal chart which may indicate my interest in Golden Section Astrology.
1 degree maximum orb for major points.
45 minute maximum orb for dwarf planet/candidates ,and that includes Pluto.


In my Regular Chart:
Moon 137.51 Uranus - '22
Midheaven 124.38 Uranus - '19


In my Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude) Chart:
Venus 34.38 Uranus - '40   


In my Heliocentric Chart:
Uranus makes the following Golden Section Aspects:
158.75 Earth (the central focus in Heliocentric Astrology just like Sun is the central focus in Geocentric Astrology)
132.49 Saturn - '15
47.51 Neptune - '53
21.25 Ixion - '04 (transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino)
34.38 Haumea - '28 (transneptunian dwarf planet)
132.49 Varuna - '37 (transneptunian dwarf planet candidate)


I have 3 objects aspecting each other for a Golden Section triangle:
Earth 158.75 Uranus - '08
Earth 124.38 Haumea - '36
Uranus 34.38 Haumea - '28


I also seem to have what  I call a  Golden Section Polarity Triangle.  What I mean by that is that I have 2 objects in opposition, and a 3rd object is in golden section aspect to the first 2 objects:
Earth oppose Ixion - '04
Uranus 21.25 Ixion - '04
Earth 158.75 Uranus - '08






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Re: Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2011, 12:36:48 PM »
Divergent Astrology Fan Page's Golden Section aspects

Golden Section Aspects:
21.25°, 42.49°, 47.51°, 68.75°, 111.25°, 132.49°, 137.51°,158.75°, 34.38°, 55.62°, 124.38° and 145.62°



Here is a list of all the golden section aspects and any golden section triangles(which equate to midpoint
configurations). I interpreted only with planetary symbolism.

Dr. Theodor Landscheidt interpreted golden section aspects with Ebertin's COSI(Combination of Stellar Influences) book because he was focusing on the planetary symbolism meanings and not the angle of the aspects.

I am just giving basic meanings based on planetary symbolism


Sun 47.51 Jupiter - '49
ego,self expression,vitality combine with expansion,judgment,beliefs

Sun 111.25 Saturn - '23
ego,self expression,vitality combine with structure,discipline,authority

Mars 21.25 Jupiter - '04
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with expansion,judgment,beliefs

Mars 137.51 Saturn - '21
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with structure,discipline,authority

Jupiter 158.75 Saturn - '26
expansion,judgment,beliefs combine with structure,discipline,authority

Ascendant 111.25 Mars - '15
persona/relationships combine with assertion,passion,physical drive

Ascendant 132.49 Jupiter - '20
persona/relationships combine with expansion,judgment,beliefs

Ascendant 111.25 Sedna - '10
persona/relationships combine with environmental awareness,care-taking for humanity,victimization,evolutionary intensification

Moon 137.51 Neptune - '50
emotional,nature,feelings,instincts combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Mars 47.51 Uranus - '50
assertion,passion,physical drive combine independence,innovation,change
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199667536746328&set=a.199667310079684.50164.199379086775173&type=1&theater



Divergent Astrology Fan Page's
Golden Section Triangle of:
Sun 47.51 Jupiter - '49
Sun 111.25 Saturn - '23
Jupiter 158.75 Saturn - '26

w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Saturn sesquiquadrate Sun/Jupiter midpoint - '01
structure,discipline,authority combine with the integration of ego,self expression,vitality and expansion,judgment,beliefs
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199667540079661&set=a.199667310079684.50164.199379086775173&type=1&theater



Divergent Astrology Fan Page's
Golden Section Triangle of:
Mars 21.25 Jupiter - '04
Mars 137.51 Saturn - '21
Jupiter 158.75 Saturn - '26

w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Jupiter square Mars/Saturn - '15
expansion,judgment,beliefs combine with the integration of assertion,passion,physical drive and structure,discipline,authority

AND

Golden Section Triangle of:
Jupiter 21.25 Sedna - '09
Saturn 137.51 Sedna - '16
Jupiter 158.75 Saturn - '26

w/corresponding midpoint picture of:
Jupiter square Saturn/Sedna - '17
expansion,judgment,beliefs combine with the integration of structure,discipline,authority and environmental awareness,care-taking for humanity,victimization,and evolutionary intensification


It's actually Golden Section Triangle of:
Mars-Sedna,Jupiter,Saturn
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199667543412994&set=a.199667310079684.50164.199379086775173&type=1&theater



Divergent Astrology Fan Page's
Golden Section Triangle of:
Mars 21.25 Jupiter - '04
Ascendant 111.25 Mars - '15
Ascendant 132.49 Jupiter - '20

w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Mars semisquare Jupiter/Ascendant - '05
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with the integration of expansion,judgment,beliefs and persona/relationships

AND

Golden Section Triangle of:
Jupiter 21.25 Sedna - '09
Ascendant 111.25 Sedna - '10
Ascendant 132.49 Jupiter - '20

w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Sedna semisquare Jupiter/Ascendant midpoint - '00
environmental awareness,care-taking for humanity,victimization,evolutionary intensification combine with the integration of expansion,judgment,beliefs and persona/relationships

It's actually Golden Section Triangle of:
Mars-Sedna,Jupiter,Ascendant
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199667546746327&set=a.199667310079684.50164.199379086775173&type=1&theater


Golden Section Triangle of:
Moon 137.51 Neptune - '50
Moon 68.75 Quaoar - '36
Neptune 68.75 Quaoar - '14

w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Quaoar conjunct Moon/Neptune - '12
inspiration,creativity,evolutionary intensification combine with the integration of emotional nature,feelings,instincts and dissolution,idealism,inspiration
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199667550079660&set=a.199667310079684.50164.199379086775173&type=1&theater


Moon,Neptune,Quaoar Golden Section Triangle is the strongest golden section triangle in the whole chart because it involves a direct midpoint picture ( a point that is conjunct or opposite the midpoint of 2 objects). This is a powerful configuration, and it involves Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate Quaoar named after the Native American Tongva Tribe Creation Deity who said to have created through song and dance. Quaoar can be about creativity,inspiration,and evolutionary intensification.



Midheaven 124.38 Haumea - '20
aim in life/roots combine with creativity,fertility,female reproduction,evolutionary intensification

Ceres 158.75 Haumea - '03
nurturing,mothering,"empty nest" combine with creativity,fertility,female reproduction,evolutionary intensification

Mercury 34.38 Varuna - '36
mental processes,thoughts,communications combine with cosmic,justice,judgment,evolutionary intensification





I also checked Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude)


Sun 111.25 Moon - '20
ego,self expression,vitality combine with emotional nature,feelings,instincts

Sun 68.75 Orcus - '45
ego,self expression,vitality combine with emotional nature,feelings,instincts

Moon 42.49 Orcus - '25
emotional nature,feelings,instincts combine with oaths,promises,evolutionary intensification

Golden Section Triangle of Sun,Moon,Orcus
I am very sure that there is a midpoint picture, but I can't see it in Solar Fire program



Venus 55.62 Uranus - '12
love,relationships,value systems combine with independence,innovation,change

Venus 34.38 Eris - '25
love,relationships,value systems combine with diversity,equality,discord

Uranus 21.25 Eris - '11

Golden Section Triangle of Venus,Uranus,Eris
w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Venus semisquare Uranus/Eris - '18
love,relationships,value systems combine with the integration of independence,innovation,change and diversity,equality,change




Ascendant 111.25 Pluto - '24
persona/relationships combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification

Mercury 158.75 Pluto - '02
mental processes,thoughts,communications combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification



Jupiter 55.62 Neptune - '44
expansion,judgment,beliefs combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration








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Re: Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2011, 12:38:55 PM »
My Golden Section Aspects


I listed on aspects that involve personal points unless they are involved in Golden Section Triangles
1'00 - major points
'45 - dwarf planet/candidates



Moon 137.51 Uranus - '22 (strong)
emotional nature,feelings,instincts combine with independence,innovation,change

Ascendant 68.75 Venus - '24 (strong)
persona/relationships combine with love,relationships,value systems

Midheaven 124.38 Uranus - '19 (strong)
aim in life/roots combine with independence,innovation,change

Mercury 137.51 Pluto - '01 (very strong)
mental processes,thoughts,communications combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification



Sun 111.25 Mars - '41
ego,self expression,vitality combine with assertion,passion,physical drive

Sun 34.38 Pluto - '06
ego,self expression,vitality combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification

Mars 145.62 Pluto - '34
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification

Golden Section triangle of Sun,Mars,Pluto
w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Pluto square Sun/Mars - '10
transformation,power,evolutionary intensification combine with the integration of ego,self expression,vitality and assertion,passion,physical drive



Mars 145.62 Pluto - '34
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification

Mars-Ixion - '45
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with piousness,human-ness,lust,second chances,evolutionary intensification

Pluto -Ixion - '10
transformaton,power,evolutonary intensification combine with piousness,human-ness,lust,second chances,evolutionary intensification

Golden Section triangle of Mars,Ixion,Pluto
w/corresponding midpoint picture of:
Pluto square Mars/Ixion - '14
transformation,power,evolutionary intensification combine with assertion,passion,physical drive and piousness,human-ness,lust,second chances,evolutionary intensification


I actually have a Golden Section Triangle of Sun-Ixion,Mars,Pluto








Right Ascension:

Sun-Ascendant - '47 (weak)
ego,self expression,vitality combine with persona/relationships

Sun 34.38 Jupiter - '48 (weak)
ego,self expression,vitality combine with expansion,judgment,beliefs

Sun 42.49 Haumea - '17 (medium)
ego,self expression,vitality combine with creativity,fertility,female reproduction,evolutionary intensification

Mercury 55.62 Haumea - '20 (medium)
mental processes,thoughts,communications combine with creativity,fertility,female reproduction,evolutionary intensification

Ascendant 145.62 Eris - '24 (medium)
persona/relationships combine with diversity,equality,discord

Midheaven 158.75 Venus - '58 (very weak)
aim in life/roots combine with love,relationships,value systems

Midheaven 68.75 Ceres - '16 (medium)
aim in life/roots combine with nurturing,mothering,"empty nest"

Midheaven-Orcus - '41 (very weak)
aim in life/roots combine with oaths,promises,evolutionary intensification

Mercury 21.25 Jupiter - '10 (very strong)
mental processes,thoughts,communications combine with expansion,judgment,beliefs

Venus 34.38 Uranus - '40 (weak)
love,relationship,value systems combine with independence,innovation,change

Venus 42.49 Pluto - '16 (medium)
love,relationships,value systems combine with transformation,power,evolutionary

Mars 158.75 Haumea - '00 (very strong)
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with creativity,fertility,female reproduction,evolutionary intensification




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Re: Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 12:41:29 PM »
Because I have become very interested in Golden Section Astrology, I decided to check out the Golden Section Aspects in my Solar Return Chart. I suspected that I had significant Golden Section aspects including a Golden Section Triangle with my Sun-Venus.

I found the following:


Sun 111.25 Moon - '18
ego,self expression,vitality combine with emotional nature,feelings,instincts

Sun 111.25 Neptune - '38
ego,self expression,vitality combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Moon 137.51 Neptune - '56
emotional nature,feelings,instincts combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Golden Section Triangle of Sun,Moon,Neptune
w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Sun oppose Moon/Neptune - '10
ego,self expression,vitality combine with the integration of emotional nature,feelings,instincts and dissolution,idealism,inspiration



Moon 111.25 Venus - '01
emotional nature,feelings,instincts combine with love,relationships,value systems

Moon 137.51 Neptune - '38
emotional nature,feelings,instincts combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Venus 111.25 Neptune - '55
love,relationships,value systems combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration

Golden Section Triangle of Moon,Venus,Neptune
w/ corresponding midpoint picture of:
Venus oppose Moon/Neptune - '26
love,relationships,value systems combine with dissolution,idealism,inspiration


It's actually a Golden Section Triangle of Sun-Venus,Moon,Neptune

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=199750010071414&set=a.199667310079684.50164.199379086775173&type=1&theater


I was right. I have significant Golden Section Aspects including a both Golden Section Triangle involving my Sun-Venus, and it involves the Moon. I actually have a Golden Section Triangle that involves both luminaries. They are big triangles too. Like all all Golden Section Triangles, they have corresponding midpoint pictures.

This is a highly significant Solar Return 12 month period indeed!





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Re: Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2011, 12:59:15 PM »
Golden Section Aspects And Dr. Theodor Landsheidt



Golden Section Aspects were devised by climatologist and helio-physicist, Dr. Theodor Landscheidt who said that he was not a professional astrologer, and that he had written a book that provides statistical evidence that the astrological tradition does not conform with reality. He expressed concern about his reputation as a scientist being harmed. He even talked about the possibility of going to court to sue for damages.
He said that if it is alleged that a scientist is an astrologer, it's a kind of death sentence and that he/she will not get funding and his/her papers will no longer be published and colleauges will sneer at her or him. He said that he got such effects. He talked about a person that told lengthy stories to provide evidence that he's a professional astrologer and that it had the effect that one of his papers he recently submitted at the time for publication was rejected on the grounds that he is an astrologer.

He said that in his book "Astrology:Hope of a Science?",he showed that all of the practices
of astrologers do not stand up to state of the art statistical investigations.

Dr. Landscheidt was a scientific astrologer who didn't believe in the validity of mainstream astrology. He was similar to Johannes Kepler who introduced minor aspects in Astrology as part of his attempt to reform Astrology. So his way of doing Astrology was much different from Mainstream Astrologers.



Somebody confronted him by showing that he wrote:

Cosmic Cybernetics - The Foundation Of A Modern Astrology. LANDSCHEIDT
Theodor, Dr. $4.95 An anthology compiled for readers interested in Cosmobiology.
It is a summation of some essential concepts the author presented in articles &
talks.

and

Sun-Earth-Man Theodore Landscheidt 8.95
Dr. Landscheidt illustrates how the world's climate, stock
market, ozone levels and many other phenomena move in time
with the planetary harmonies of our solar system. His findings,
supported by successful forecasts, will be of interest to both
the layman and student of practically every area of study.

and that he has been referred to as an astrologer.



Here is the discussion involving Dr. Theodor Landscheidt
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.environment/browse_thread/thread/ff40bafa356c6512/e7b59df4b555755c?q=theodor+landscheidt&lnk=ol&


I have Cosmic Cybernetics and Sun-Earth-Man.



The following is
The Golden Section: A Cosmic Principle
THEODOR LANDSCHEIDT
Extrema within Cycles governed by the Golden Section
When I took the Sun's hints at the golden section seriously and discarded my blinders, I was suddenly able to realize that the golden section is not merely an aesthetic proportion important to artists, but an omnipresent cosmic principle that induces structural differentiation. The pro^ portions of the Greek temple in Figure 10 illustrate the golden section. It divides a frame structure like a line, a cycle, or any other delimited feature so that the ratio of the whole to the larger part—major—equals the ratio of the larger part to the smaller one—minor. Point G represents the golden number 0.618... This point divides the unit height of the temple into major (0.618...) and minor (0.3819...). To find the major of a line or cycle of any length, multiply it by 0.618. Multiplication by 0.382 yields the minor.

Golden Aspects
The golden section divisions within cycles formed by the rotating earth may be considered a set of astrological aspects. The complete set emerges when we superimpose the two schematic diagrams in Figures 19 and 23, related to minor and major of the golden section, and compare all of those angles we find on the right and on the left of the origin 0°. Imagine that you are standing at the rising point R, or 0°, of the diurnal circle and are looking over to the setting point at 180°. Then the superimposed golden section divisions on your right form the set 21.25°, 42.49°, 47.51°, 68.75°, 111.25°, 132.49°, 137.51° and 158.75°. The angles 338.75°, 317.51°, 312.49° and so forth, on your left repeat the set on your right when subtracted from 360°. If we extend the fractal beyond the semicircle and include the quarter circle, the golden section operation generates the additional angles 34.38°, 55.62°, 124.38° and 145.62°. It is not an arbitrary procedure to divide cycles in halves and quarters. Obser-
vation shows that spectral peaks can appear at twice and four times the driving frequency, or at half or a quarter of it (Burroughs, 1992). Statistical tests indicate that the twelve golden aspects in the complete set are reliable.

http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm



http://goldennumber.net/

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoldenRatio.html

http://evolutionoftruth.com/goldensection/goldsect.htm

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html

http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/pyth4.htm

http://www.goldenmeangauge.co.uk/fibonacci.htm

http://www.egyptianhealingrods.com/GoldenSection.html


For any of you that understand better with visual aids……I am a visual spatial learner myself.

here are some videos about Golden Section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vfeBEjEsZ0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-StVqKR_BQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zWivbG0RIo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Zgp4DfOs0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w19BTB5ino&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ9qNZR9liw&feature=related



Golden Section aka Divine Proportion is closely connected to the Fibonacci series

The Golden Section is also known as the Golden Mean, Golden Ratio and Divine Proportion. It is a ratio or proportion defined by the number Phi ( = 1.618033988749895... )


In mathematics, the Fibonacci numbers are a sequence of numbers named after Leonardo of Pisa, known as Fibonacci (a contraction of filius Bonaccio, "son of Bonaccio"). Fibonacci's 1202 book Liber Abaci introduced the sequence to Western European mathematics, although the sequence had been previously described in Indian mathematics.[2][3]

The first number of the sequence is 0, the second number is 1, and each subsequent number is equal to the sum of the previous two numbers of the sequence itself, yielding the sequence 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number


Bernard Eccles saw the golden section numbers as something potentially very creative, but based this on the symbolism.

Leonardo da Vinci used them in his art and design.



On a hunch, I checked to see if Theodor Landscheidt has Fibonacci in a strong aspect to Mercury within 1 degree




March 10, 1927
Bremen,Germany
6:15 PM




in his chart:

Fibonacci in 25'03 Scorpio
trine Chart ruler Mercury in 24'38 Pisces
square Neptune in 24'59 Leo



while looking at his chart, I also noticed that he has a strong Sedna influence

Sedna in 15'01 Aries
conjunct Venus in 15'26 Aries
sextile Midheaven in 16'08 Gemini

I believe that with Venus being the planet of aesthetics and Sedna being "out of this world" , Venus-Sedna sextile his Midheaven could mean lifework involves metaphysical understanding of aesthetics that enabled him to work with The Golden Section which is also known as divine proportion.


Because he came up with the Golden Section Aspects, I checked to see if he has any Golden Aspects that might involve his Mercury as well as his Venus-Sedna conjunction.

Mercury 21.25 Venus - '52
Mercury 21.25 Sedna - '28

With Mercury in Golden Section aspect to his Venus-Sedna, his mental processes were connected to metaphysical understanding of aesthetics that enabled him to work with the Golden Section also known as divine proportion.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/TheodorLandscheidtFibonacci.gif







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Re: Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 07:12:00 AM »
Hi Glaucus:

And now that you know what golden section aspects are in your chart, what can you deduce from that?  My understanding of the golden section measurement in nature, including any stamp in the solar system and beyond, is that it somehow resonates with an overall creative energy force (call it God or call it accident), and does not therefore pertain to man's inability to live sustainably or peacefully within nature….like the fourth harmonic measurement does.  To me, the glyph that represents Earth, the circle with the cross in it, reminds us that we have indeed "fallen from grace" (as beautiful as it sometimes seems here), and we must evolve into beings that do resonant with the golden measurements. That is why we build temples and such with those measurements, to represent our highest aspirations.  If we had enough golden mean aspects in our charts we would be like the happy pineapples and sea creatures and have no need for astrology.  I'm saying I can see the fascination of the numbers and all, but what is it for?

Perhaps using those numbers in weather or earthquake predictions could be useful?

Barbara Ybarra

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Re: Interested in Golden Section Astrology Again
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2011, 11:23:16 AM »
Barbara,
If you actually read my posts, you would see that I am not just fascinated with the numbers.
I am also fascinated with the golden section aspect triangles and their corresponding midpoint pictures in the charts which points to them being of the same harmonic.
I am fascinated with the Geometry,and that's relevant.  After all, Modern Astrology is based on Geometry.  Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology are heavily based on Geometry. Heck..Magi Astrology is too.


Dr. Theodor Landscheidt used Golden Section Aspects in the natal charts of people.
A matter of fact, in his article on geocentric planetary nodes, he mentioned golden section aspects in the charts of JFK and Adolf Hitler.

He just interpreted the aspects by their planetary symbolism.   That's why he used COSI (Combination Of Stellar Influences) interpretations for the aspects.
I have deduced what my golden section aspects are. I understand what my own golden section aspects mean, and I gave basic intepretations for them based on the planetary symbolism in the way that Dr. Theodor Landscheidt did.

There hasn't been an astrologer that mentioned golden section aspect triangles , and that they have corresponding midpoint pictures.
The Golden Section Aspects obviously share a harmonic, and I am curious what it is.

I don't see why the Golden Section Aspects can't be important in Natal Astrology interpretation, especailly when they are vary narrow orbs and/or involved in Golden Section Triangles which have corresponding midpoint pictures. They seem to work with transits.   They may work with return charts.

In 2008, I had first developed an interest in Golden Section aspects. That when I discovered that they can form golden section triangles that have corresponding midpoint pictures.
I looked at the natal charts of people. I also looked at events.

I also did a little experiment on them with people at Linda Goodman forum in 2008.


http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/016790.html

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/016762.html
Any ways...I believe that Golden Section aspects are worth looking into.

If you google Golden Section Aspect, you will find a lot of posts that I did on them in 2008.


Maybe my Midheaven and Moon in golden section aspect to Uranus indicate my interest in Golden Section Aspects. My Venus in golden section to Uranus in Golden Section aspect too. I had a double whammy Venus-Uranus golden section transit when I got interested in Golden Section Aspects again a few days ago. Those aspects could be good for Astrology and innovation in general. I even have Earth-Uranus-Haumea golden section triangle in my Heliocentric chart.
Maybe my Mercury in golden section aspect to Pluto with 1 minute orb can be good for research,investigation of Golden Section aspects. Of course, it can be an indicator for researcher,investigator in general.

Interestingly,  my Mercury is both in golden section aspect to Pluto with 1 minute orb and sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node with 3 minute orb.
My Midheaven is in both golden section aspect to Uranus with 22 minute orb and oppose Geocentric South Uranus Node with 50 minute orb.
Dr. Theodor Landscheidt was  pioneer of both Golden Section Astrology and Geocentric Planetary Node Astrology.


I don't know if you understood.  I was putting emphasis on golden section aspects if they are within small orbs or involved Golden Section triangles.


For example
in my chart,  the golden section aspects that are within small orb that I'd focus on are:



Mercury 137.51 Pluto - '01 (very strong)
mental processes,thoughts,communications combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification

Mars 158.75 Haumea - '00 (very strong)
assertion,passion,physical drive combine with creativity,fertility,female reproduction,evolutionary intensification

Sun 34.38 Pluto - '06 (strong)
ego,self expression,vitality combine with transformation,power,evolutionary intensification

Midheaven 124.38 Uranus - '19 (strong)
aim in life/roots combine with independence,innovation,change

Moon 137.51 Uranus - '22 (strong)
emotional nature,feelings,instincts combine with independence,innovation,change

Ascendant 68.75 Venus - '24 (strong)
persona/relationships combine with love,relationships,value systems






I had the following transits when I got interested in Golden Section Astrology again

Transiting Uranus 132.49 My Venus - '01 applying
Transiting Venus 132.49 My Uranus - '00

both golden section aspects, and the same specific golden section aspect

Therefore, it can't be just a mere coincidence. It's definitely meaningful synchronicity.


Theodor Landscheidt happened to have Mercury in golden section aspect to his Venus which also conjunct his Sedna.  Therefore, his Mercury in golden seciton aspect to Venus-Sedna conjunction
His Mercury happen to trine the asteroid,Fibonacci under 1 degree too.

I have Mercury sextile Fibonacci under 1 degree myself, and Fibonnaci is conjunct my Geocentric North Venus Node.......so actually my Mercury sextile Fibonnaci-Geocentric North Venus Node.

I also have a Mercury-Sedna aspect like Landsheidt, but mine involves the 11th harmonic. It's involved in an 11th harmonic isosceles trapezoid with Saturn and Uranus.
Zane Stein said the 11th harmonic has to do with social consciousness.  David Colchrane said that 11th harmonic has to do with instability,rebelliousness.  Adze compared 11th harmonic to Aquarius,Uranus. He said that it had to do with technology,computers.



I also posted in this thread about Divergent Astrology fan page's  Golden Section Aspects including the Golden Section Triangles which have corresponding midpoint pictures.  The Moon,Neptune,Quaoar is the most significant one of all.  It's the largest triangle, and it's a direct midpoint picture of Quaoar conjunct Moon/Neptune midpoint.

I also posted in this thread about my current Solar Return chart which has a Golden Section Triangle, and it's a big one... It consists of Sun-Venus,Moon,and Neptune/ It has a corresponding midpoint picture of Sun-Venus oppose Moon/Neptune.


I don't know why you were remarking about only my natal chart.  

I listed other examples besides my Natal chart, and I didn't just list golden section aspects. I listed Golden Section triangles.


I also approached Golden Section aspects the way Theodor did.   He didn't put any emphasis on the angle. He put emphasis on only the objects involved with the aspect.  It's the same thing that Cosmobiologists do.
Theodor wasn't into Mainstream Astrology. He seemed to be in support of Cosmobiology instead.  

heck...Noel Tyl Astrology includes midpoint pictures, and that's a big part of Cosmobiology too.   The use of solar arc with midpoints is part of Cosmobiology too.

any ways....I will agree to disagree.

 
I find Theodor's books,  Sun-Earth-Man and Cosmic Cybernetics to be really good.





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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2011, 08:09:50 AM »
Hi Glaucus:

The reference I made to your own chart was just a way of asking…."and what does it all mean?" I clearly saw that you were not only speaking of yourself. It's ok with me that you study those aspects even if you never apply them, and I wasn't saying that you did it out of some wierd fascination of numbers; I was saying that I was fascinated.  I have said before on this forum that your work is valuable.  You post many examples of the numbers of golden section aspects and little speculation as to what it all might mean.  Maybe it's not your aim right now to go there, or maybe you are more of a collector of the facts. Nothing wrong with that.  I was just asking in case you had something in mind that you had not verbalized.  You didn't address what I said about the golden section aspects being related to the harmony of creation as opposed to the disharmony of some other aspects.  I suppose trines are more like the golden section aspects.  Quintiles seem to have the same flavor as golden section aspects.  Maybe they are related to our individual creativity like quintiles are.  I have nothing against numbers.  I just took a math class and I am now interested in solving puzzles with matrixes and geometrical patterns.  Playing with numbers is a third house task, applying it to life in broader terms is a ninth house task.  Just asking.  No need to answer if its not your thing.

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2011, 10:19:41 AM »
Glaucas:  P.S.:  When you say that the aspects are "just interpreted according to the planetary symbolism", is that saying that it does not really matter that it is a golden section aspect but that the important thing is that there is contact between the two planets?

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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2011, 11:54:03 AM »
Hello Glaucas: (Raymond)

I found your post on golden sections, interesting...but a bit hard to follow.. What is the difference between a 'golden section' and a 'critical degree.'   They seem like they are similar in intent...?

Next question, what weight do we give golden sections in the overall pecking order of the natal chart...

For example, are they deemed, secondary influences or primary influences...

Next question, can golden sections be applied to mundane and horary events, has anyone ever tried it ?

And last question, do golden sections apply to everyone, or only to neurodiverse individuals...

looking forward to your responses...


regards,


R.J.  Smith


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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2011, 01:55:51 PM »
Landscheidt's work looks a lot like Leonardo Pisano Bigollo's - the guy responsible for fibonacci numbers and the golden spiral... i say this having looked very casually at landscheidt's work and owning the small book you refer to in one of your posts raymond...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number

it is a fun idea trying to marry the two which is what this looks like to me...

raymond, it looks like you may have written about this before..
http://astronuts.tribenetwork.com/thread/3650c480-e291-4863-8378-5cf9e65dc7de

thanks for the posts..

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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2011, 01:51:52 AM »
It's not the aspect that counts, uranus is the 5th chakra area at that level.
AW192 AND 5 OTHER TNOS are in the hormone layer in the 5th chakra, and a number of tnos are in the 5th chakra position in the aura layer(ST291) beiing one. This is quatum astrology Raymond, wake up and smell the roses.

Jim

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2011, 05:45:02 AM »
Hello Glaucas: (Raymond)

I found your post on golden sections, interesting...but a bit hard to follow.. What is the difference between a 'golden section' and a 'critical degree.'   They seem like they are similar in intent...?

Next question, what weight do we give golden sections in the overall pecking order of the natal chart...

For example, are they deemed, secondary influences or primary influences...

Next question, can golden sections be applied to mundane and horary events, has anyone ever tried it ?

And last question, do golden sections apply to everyone, or only to neurodiverse individuals...

looking forward to your responses...


regards,


R.J.  Smith




Golden Section has to do with divine proportion.
That's way different from Critical degree.  I am very confused by that question.
It was about Golden Section Aspects.  Geometrical aspects based on the Golden Section.


 Golden Section Aspects:
21.25°, 42.49°, 47.51°, 68.75°, 111.25°, 132.49°, 137.51°,158.75°, 34.38°, 55.62°, 124.38° and 145.62°



http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm



http://goldennumber.net/

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoldenRatio.html

http://evolutionoftruth.com/goldensection/goldsect.htm

http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html

http://www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/pyth4.htm

http://www.goldenmeangauge.co.uk/fibonacci.htm

http://www.egyptianhealingrods.com/GoldenSection.html


here are some videos about Golden Section

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vfeBEjEsZ0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-StVqKR_BQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zWivbG0RIo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Zgp4DfOs0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w19BTB5ino&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ9qNZR9liw&feature=related



Golden Section aka Divine Proportion is closely connected to the Fibonacci series

The Golden Section is also known as the Golden Mean, Golden Ratio and Divine Proportion. It is a ratio or proportion defined by the number Phi ( = 1.618033988749895... )





I would look at them as secondary influences.    
I'd even use small orbs for them......even smaller than 1 degree unless involved in a triangle.
I'd use even smaller orbs for objects that are minor like transneptunians (that includes Pluto imho),asteroids,centaurs.

I don't see why golden section can't be applied to mundane and horary events.  
I even did one for 9-11.  Uranus,Pluto,and Midheaven were in a triangle during the moment of the 9'11 attack.  It was Midheaven oppose Uranus/Pluto midpoint.

Golden section can apply to anybody and not just neurodiverse people.


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Glaucas:  P.S.:  When you say that the aspects are "just interpreted according to the planetary symbolism", is that saying that it does not really matter that it is a golden section aspect but that the important thing is that there is contact between the two planets?

Barbara Ybarra

Exactly
That's how the Cosmobiologists do it.
Theodor Landscheidt seemed to favor Cosmobiology over regular type of Astrology.

In some ways, he was like Johannes Kepler.
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2011, 06:11:55 AM »
Hi Glaucus:

The reference I made to your own chart was just a way of asking…."and what does it all mean?" I clearly saw that you were not only speaking of yourself. It's ok with me that you study those aspects even if you never apply them, and I wasn't saying that you did it out of some wierd fascination of numbers; I was saying that I was fascinated.  I have said before on this forum that your work is valuable.  You post many examples of the numbers of golden section aspects and little speculation as to what it all might mean.  Maybe it's not your aim right now to go there, or maybe you are more of a collector of the facts. Nothing wrong with that.  I was just asking in case you had something in mind that you had not verbalized.  You didn't address what I said about the golden section aspects being related to the harmony of creation as opposed to the disharmony of some other aspects.  I suppose trines are more like the golden section aspects.  Quintiles seem to have the same flavor as golden section aspects.  Maybe they are related to our individual creativity like quintiles are.  I have nothing against numbers.  I just took a math class and I am now interested in solving puzzles with matrixes and geometrical patterns.  Playing with numbers is a third house task, applying it to life in broader terms is a ninth house task.  Just asking.  No need to answer if its not your thing.

Barbara Ybarra


I am very curious about this stuff.
From what I read in Theodor Landscheidt's geocentric planetary node article, he just interpreted golden aspects like any other aspects. He just interpreted them by using  Ebertin's COSI.   Therefore, I used the same approach as he did.
I'd like for him to have explained how the golden section angle would work in Astrology.   His stuff seemed over the head of a lot of people, and so it wasn't  accepted by astrologers. I could understand that.  I am interested in Geometry and Harmonics, and so I do look at the minor aspects other than the quincunx,semisextile,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,and biquintile.  Albert Einstein had an interesting Mercury septile Pluto with 7 minute orb which could have been good for helping him understand the subtleties of existence.  He also had Mercury conjunct Sedna with 17 minute orb,  and he even had Mercury conjunct Eris in Right Ascension with even a smaller orb.    


Do you think that there can be an astrologer that can figure out the harmonic that the golden section aspects belong to?   They obviously share a certain harmonic for them to be able to form triangles with corresponding midpoint pictures.  That's the main reason why I went over and posted charts. I wanted to show the golden section aspect triangles and how they have corresponding pictures.  That's something that I haven't seen any astrologer go over.    I wanted to show that there is certain harmonic that golden section aspects share. Therefore, maybe they are relevant to Astrology.

I don't know if Golden Section aspects have similar qualities as trines and 5th harmonic aspects (quintile,biquintile).

Theodor seemed to use a 1 degree maximum orb with them.
I also use a small orb for them and even smaller.
I even think orbs should be even around half a degree unless they are part of triangles.
The orbs of dwarf planets/candidates would be smaller, and I include Pluto.



He also listed other aspects that he thought could be used in Astrology:

In his book
COSMIC CYBERNETICS The Foundations of Modern Astrology

page 62.


A detailed statistical evaluation of the available data on solar activity, the results of which were checked on by means of forecasts, draws the following picture of the effective planetary distances corresponding to the basic or harmonic vibrations of the gravitational waves:

360 degrees
180 degrees
90 degrees
45 degrees
22'30 degrees
11'15 degrees
5'37'30 degrees
2'48'45 degrees
1'24'22.5 degrees
'42'11.25 degrees
'21'5.625 degrees
'10'32.8125


I know that Cosmobiologists use 45 degree series aspects, and I know that Uranian Astrologers use even 22'30 series of aspects and even the 11'14 series of aspects.
I prefer using no further than the 45 degree series aspects.  I favor Cosmobiology over Uranian Astrology.    I definitely wouldn't use hypothetical objects like Uranian Astrologers use.



I like the work that Theodor Landscheidt did with geocentric planetary nodes, and it seems that he strongly influence Zipporah Dobyns who wrote The Node Book which included geocentric planetary nodes of the planets and the major 4 asteroids.   Jeffrey Wolf Green school of astrologers also use the geocentric planetary nodes.


In her node book,  Zipporah Dobyns including other aspects besides the major aspects with the geocentric nodes.  
She included 7 1/2 degree series of aspects.  She said that John Nelson and Dr. Theodor Landscheidt used all multiples of 7 1/2 degrees in their predictive work,and both claim accuracy of 90 percent or better.

Carl Payne Tobey and Dane Rudhyar made a good case of the use of heliocentric nodes too.


I use both geocentric and heliocentric.  I prefer to keep the orbs small.  I think that using no more than 1 degree is best.   With the use of minor objects, the orbs should be smaller.
I use only the major aspects.



I have been influenced by Robert Hand's book, HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS in regards to Aspects.


Conjunction,Opposition,Trine,Square - 5'00
Sextile - 3'00
Semisquare,Sesquiquadrate,Semisextile,Quincunx,Quintile,Biquintile - 1'30
22.5 multiples not covered above - '30
All others - 1'00 or less

I take into account that astrologers can get away with wide orbs because the points could be involved in midpoint pictures, declination which Robert Mention mentioned.
I also see that Right Ascension could also account for wide orb aspects.   For example: I have Mars square Neptune over 5 degree orb.  In Right Ascension, the orb is about 1 degree.
I have a Pluto trine Midheaven with 2'30 orb in Right Ascension.  The orb is over 10 degrees in the regular chart.
I also believe that people can identify with wide orbed Pluto aspects because they have an aspect involving another transneptunian.  For example.  I have Moon quincunx Pluto with 2'32 orb which is 1 degree higher than the orb that Robert Hand suggests. It turns out that I have Moon trine Quaoar with 50 minute orb, square Varuna with 10 minute orb, trine Ixion with 2'14 orb, and sextile Sedna with 1'06 orb.  If I narrow down the orbs and take away the trine Ixion and sextile Sedna.  There is also the Right Ascension to consider.   There is a sextile to Sedna with 39 minute orb and a semisquare Eris with 8 minute orb.  The Moon sextile Sedna is part of a Point of Thales aka Wedge configuration of Moon trine/sextile Sun-Sedna opposition.   It is also part of Point of Thales configuration of  Moon trine/sextile Quaoar-Sedna opposition.  Moon,Venus,and Eris are in a 24th harmonic aspect syndrome in Right Ascension.


Even with the the minor aspects,  I'd use much smaller orbs.i Of course, I'd decrease the orb with minor points including even Pluto.
The only exceptions are if they involve harmonic aspect patterns.  

I believe that very narrow orb aspects and geometrical aspect patterns are important. This goes especially for geometrical aspect patterns that have corresponding midpoint pictures.


Any ways, I look at things from other angles.    

I like the idea of Multidimensional 21st Century Astrology.    I think Pluto's fellow transneptuanians are big part of that as well as other coordinates like Right Ascension and Declination.
Aspects other than the major aspects would fit in with that.  

However, I don't know if  Dr. Theodor Landscheidt's Golden Section aspects can fit in with that.
I don't use them regularly. I'd use them for experimental and research purposes.  


Maybe my Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minute orb can indicate my wanting to look at things including Astrology differently.
Maybe my Mercury,Saturn,Uranus,Sedna 11th harmonic Isosceles Trapezoid  with corresponding midpoint pictures of Mercury oppose Saturn/Sedna with 16 minute orb and Sedna oppose Mercury/Uranus with 17 minute orb  is also an indicator for wanting to look at things including Astrology differently.

The Mercury golden section aspect to Pluto with 1 minute orb and sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node with 3 minute orb could just be the "icing on the cake" so to speak.
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