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« on: March 09, 2012, 01:37:19 PM »

The Ballad of Pierre Poutine
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How the Government of Canada Does Fall

Could a tiny poutine shop be at the center of a great Canadian mess (‘poutine’ is also quebecois slang for ‘mess’)?

I live in Guelph, Ontario, Canada, a small city of approximately 120,000. While traveling two weeks ago to New Jersey on way to present a lecture on the Sabian symbols, a news item dubbed “Robocall” came to my attention which excited both mirth and curiosity.

Last June, 2011, Canada held federal elections which gave Stephen Harper (Prime Minister) and his Conservative party a majority government. It would be fair to say that no one amongst the political analyst pundits predicted that election result.

Post election grumblings do ever ensue... some of minor note, some of dangling chad proportions. However, in Canada, in Guelph to be exact, an issue has become the focus of Elections Canada, the overseeing body of all federal electoral matters. Sufficient evidence has emerged to suggest someone, some group, engaged in a tactic of placing calls to voters on election day, informing them that their polling station had changed. The calls include claims of being from the offices of Elections Canada itself. Most were made by automated calling services whose messaging systems were hired, and as documents show, may be traced back to Conservative party offices.

Enter Pierre Poutine...

From a CBC report,

A telephone number used to place automated calls directing voters to the wrong polling station in Guelph, Ont., in the last federal election was registered to a "Pierre Poutine" of Separatist Street, Joliette, Que., court documents reveal.
The investigator is looking into allegations somebody claiming to be from Elections Canada telephoned people in Guelph and falsely told them their polling stations had moved.
The number, which belongs to a disposable cellphone, appeared on the call display of voters who received the incorrect polling station information.

A primer for non-Canadian readers:

Poutine: a favorite food item from Quebec made of french fries and cheese curd covered with gravy.

“Separatist Street”: a reference to the sensitive issue of Quebec liberation as an independent country and thus separating from Canada. While this issue is at present well below the boiling point, the use of this address is not especially a class act.

Pierre’s Poutine: the popularity of poutine has spread into other Canadian provinces including the small fast-food establishment in downtown Guelph named Pierre’s Poutine. Pierre, the owner of Pierre’s Poutine , gleefully enjoyed the national attention directed to his humble establishment.

This may seem a minor issue. Indeed, all reasonable assessment would consider this a scandal that will lose traction and fade from memory. Except for two things:

First, the fraud enacted is not the sort regularly perpetrated by one political party on another, nor is it a mere case of greed and gain by dubious means to which, so frequently such sordid affairs come to light, we all have become numb. If there were elections fraud, it was committed on the people of Canada themselves. Since the initial news of the investigation, thousands of Canadians, over 30,000 by some reports,  have brought forward further complaints of such calls, not just in Guelph, but in many areas of the country. And therein lies the lump in the gravy.

Secondly, look at Canada’s horoscope, July 01, 1867; 12:00AM, LMT; Ottawa, Ontario


The first observation that strikes the eye is the Sun, Uranus and IC in the 9th degree Cancer, and therefore, the Midheaven of Canada’s horoscope is in the 9th degree Capricorn where the glacial powers of Pluto do currently grind their relentless ways.

Astrologically, it is clear that something powerful is happening in Canada. Also, with transiting Uranus entering the fray, joining transiting Pluto by hard aspect (square), we have the planetary energy combination known for turning everything upside down... a change of Promethean proportions.

The Midheaven or tenth house in mundane Astrological considerations is the control tower of the nation, the party in government, the Prime Minister, the nation’s reputation, the nation’s integrity and honour.

Hard aspect transits to Canada’s Midheaven:

Transiting Pluto conjunct MC, January 22, 2012; Pluto opposite Uranus, Feb. 10, opposed Sun Feb. 18... about the time the story first became national news.

Transiting Pluto opposed Sun, June 5, 2012, opposed Uranus, June 16, and conjunct MC, July 7, 2012.

Transiting Uranus square MC June 7, 2012

Transiting Pluto conjunct MC Nov. 24, 2012; opposed Uranus, Nov. 12; Opposed Sun Nov. 19, 2012

Transiting Uranus square MC, March 22, 2013; square Uranus mar. 31; square Sun April 5, 2013.

Solar Arc Pluto will = (square)  Canada’s MC March 4 2013   ---This powerful measurement was the key measurement in the Soviet Union's most reliable horoscope, signalling the break-up of the USSR. --Noel Tyl

Solar Arc Saturn, ruler of the tenth house, equaled MC just one year ago... at the time of the election call by Prime Minister Stephen Harper in his bid to gain a controlling majority government.

Secondary progressed Sun entered 00 sagittarius January 9, 2012... an observation always associated with an important change, in Canada’s chart, pointing to the 9th house of legal affairs and international attentions.

To these observations, many more less powerful ones can be added... but this is more than enough to know something will change in Canada. Is it the ‘Robocall’ scandal? It may manifest in some other, as yet unknown, revelation. In my view, this is the scandal that will, by March of 2013, bring about a change in government.

Another brilliant way to observe the mundane affairs of the nation of Canada is to note the Aries point Ingress charts (thanks to Dean Bensics for his wonderful contributions on this technique).

Cast for Ottawa, the Aries Ingress chart March 20, 2012 shows Sun-Mercury just behind the IC in the third house of news and communication. Uranus is in the 4th less than one degree from exact opposition to the MC... surely and exciting turn of events for the opposition parties in government.

Cancer Ingress June 20, 2012: again Uranus occupies the 4th house conjunct the IC... more upset and revelation. The Sun resides in the seventh house... the public’s reaction to criminals and criminal activities in general?

Libra Ingress, September 22, 2012: Mars conjunct the Ascendant (the people of the country; the people’s prevailing attitude; the majority of public opinion); Neptune in the fourth conjunct IC (opposing MC)... something is other than it seems, manipulations, deceit undermine the nation’s foundations.

Capricorn Ingress, December 21, 2012: Mercury in the first conjunct the Ascendant... vocal public opinions; Moon in 4th; Uranus conjunct IC in the third house of news revelations.

And the Aries Ingress, Mar 20, 2013: Venus-Sun-Mars-Uranus in the first house conjunct the Ascendant, square the MC; plus Moon 7 Cancer 59 conjunct Canada’s IC and in the fourth house of the opposition.

The Sabian symbol for Canada’s Sun and Uranus placements is Cancer 9, “A tiny nude miss reaching in the water for a fish”... often a symbol pointing to innocence and some difficulty getting one’s hands around an elusive matter, but also taking delight in shifting the focus of perception playfully for rewarding results.

For Canada’s MC, Capricorn 9, “An angel carrying a harp”... one can hardly refrain from pointing out our Prime Minister’s name... Harper... and the wide spread perception of him as being a little bit too tightly strung, a tendency that manifests consistently through this symbol. It is as if, protesting innocence while already being on the hook for a justified charge, only sets the hook deeper.

Think of a tiny girl fishing... a ‘tine’ is the barbed feature of a fish hook. A fish bites the hook. if it struggles against the hook and line, the hook sinks deeper. It is certain that people with placements in Cancer/Capricorn 9 experience this in their lives. If tense and strung too tight, never a good choice will be made. If relaxed and well-tuned (rather than ‘tined’) beautiful things can happen analogous to the divinely plucked harp.

The best thing Stephen Harper could do at this point is to call for a full scale public inquiry. That way, the official report would not see the light of day for years... become the Canadian equivalent of the grassy knoll documents archived until it becomes a matter of academic and historical interest only.

But Prime Minister Harper does not tend to exhibit the charm and ease of a tiny girl reaching into the water. If he resists, and the more he resists, it is likely that the Angel carrying a harp of the Canadian Midheaven will become a rapacious harpy and set the seat of power on a journey of being forced to overturn the reigns of power.
I project the ruling party of the government of Canada will change March 2013, or soon after.

And long will the troubadours sing the Ballad of Pierre Poutine!

http://youtu.be/vXKcDkULIEE

Blain Bovee
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 03:47:13 PM »

Hi, Blain, I think that mirth and curiosity was put to good use - enjoyed your fine and fun presentation!  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 03:56:33 PM »

Nice to hear from you again, Blain.

Regards,

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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 03:04:35 AM »

What a wit you are, Blain!  I enjoyed this post immensely and will look forward to watching what happens!

All the best,
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 02:10:55 PM »

Hi Blaine:

Wow….you are such a poetic astrologer!  If you could fit the potatoes into the astrology somehow it would be a perfect sabian ballad.  I love those cheezey poutines.  There is a hole-in-the-wall shop in Old Town Sacramento Ca. where a person can get those.

June of this year those harp strings are going to be stretched and broken I think, with that square from Uranus. 

I hate those voting tricks.  Sometimes I have to drive all over the place to find my voting location.

Good post!

Barbara Ybarra

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 07:04:46 AM »

Thanks Everyone!

Do be sure to click on the youtube link at the end of the post. It brings up a musical presentation and visuals that include photos of Pierre, of Pierre's Poutine in Downtown Guelph.

Not Astrology, but it sure is fun!

Blain
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 09:35:43 AM »

to suggest the fall of the ussr can be primarily attributed to a solar arc direction is to ignore the larger cycle of saturn/neptune and it's central role in the history of that country.. see andre barbault for greater understanding..

http://cura.free.fr/quinq/02barbo.html
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 02:03:51 AM »

Hello Blaine:

Thanks for this interesting report.

Your report does omit, however, one very important fact. 

There is a criminal investigation also going on by the RCMP and Elections Canada. In Canada, election fraud is a criminal offense and violators of the Elections Act can face up to five years in jail an/or a hefty fine..

Therefore, the threat of jail might be incentive enough... to help people start talking... about who actually did the dirty deed and who is this mysterious character named Pierre Poutine...

The chart for the Dominion of Canada actually has a second well known national chart (posted below). That chart features 7 degrees 57 minutes of Libra rising, based on the 12:05 p.m. time that an Ottawa newspaper article documents as the time when cannons were blasted in a Parliament Hill ceremony on July 1st, 1867, signifying the birth of Canada.

I have found the Libra rising chart to better explain the psychology of Canadians, in general, than the midnight chart.

First of all, 7 Libra 57 is conjunct the malevolent fixed star Vindiamatrix, According to Vivian Robson, that is the star traditionally associated with widowhood or seperation through death !

In the December 1982 Edition of Dell Horoscope Magazine, the late astrologer Shelagh Kendall wrote an article about Canada that foretold the threat of eventual seperation from the Province of Quebec...

In the Libra rising chart, it is very important to note that SA Pluto in Libra will conjoin the LIBRA ascendant (to the exact minute!) in less than one year, but also in 2013.  Meanwhile, the Cancer midheaven is also opposed by t. Pluto in Capricorn and squared by t. Uranus in Aries...

Wow ! Those are certainly aspects of upheaval and political change, so it seems that both charts predict Harper's demise !

I LOOK FORWARD to Stephen Harper's demise, actually.

Meanwhile, transiting Uranus in Aries will square the Moon in Cancer, ruler of the 10th house in the Libra rising chart... That also signifies a change in government...

The Sun, Moon, and Venus, in the 9th house of the radical chart suggests that the economic destiny of Canada is tied in with the world economy or with foreigners, in general, and that Canada's educational system is a role model for others around the world...

This 9th house development also suggests that Canada's courts, namely the Supreme court, will ultimately decide the fate of the Quebec seperation debacle.. and that legal problems might also plague this current government and other governments to come..




 
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 04:20:11 AM »

All,

Very amusing! Is it likely we may see an Indian Call Center next advising the nearest voting poll address?

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 05:37:57 AM »

I think the bigger story with respect to Canada is that the separatist Parti Quebecois is leading the polls in the province of Quebec and an election is due there either this year or next. The leader of the PQ, Pauline Marois, has her Sun at 8 Aries, in an exact square to the Sun-Uranus conjunction on Canada's IC. Her Sun will also be hit repeatedly by the Uranus-Pluto square.  This would be the third time the PQ takes power in Quebec.  Each time so far, they held a referendum on sovereignty.  They were first elected in 1976; they lost the first referendum in 1980 with 40% of the votes in favor of sovereignty.  They took power again in 1994; they held a second referendum the following year.  The result in 1995 was much closer with 49.4% in favor of sovereignty. In 1980 and 1994, the prime minister of Canada was also from Quebec; that was in itself a powerful counter-argument for Canada.  This time, the government of Canada is possibly the most alienating ever for Quebec; Harper is a right-wing prime minister from Alberta who has been completely rejected by Quebec voters in the federal elections last year.

Also, the July 1 1867 horoscope is not the only relevant one for Canada, because it only became a self-governing colony then.  It achieved full independence in matters such as defense and international relations with the passage of the Statute of Westminster by the British Parliament on 11 December 1931.  At that time, Pluto was in Cancer, Uranus was in Aries and Saturn was in Capricorn.  Uranus and Saturn will revisit the same degrees of those signs in coming years, and Pluto will oppose its position then when it reaches 23 Capricorn.

In conclusion, English-speaking Canada is convinced the issue of Quebec secession is dead and gone.  I think it is in for quite a shock when it realizes within the next year that it has come back stronger than ever. Quebec could leave Canada at about the same time Scotland secedes from the United Kingdom. The referendum on Scottish independence has been set for 2014.
 
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2012, 01:33:38 PM »

I think the bigger story with respect to Canada is that the separatist Parti Quebecois is leading the polls in the province of Quebec and an election is due there either this year or next. The leader of the PQ, Pauline Marois, has her Sun at 8 Aries, in an exact square to the Sun-Uranus conjunction on Canada's IC. Her Sun will also be hit repeatedly by the Uranus-Pluto square.  This would be the third time the PQ takes power in Quebec.  Each time so far, they held a referendum on sovereignty.  They were first elected in 1976; they lost the first referendum in 1980 with 40% of the votes in favor of sovereignty.  They took power again in 1994; they held a second referendum the following year.  The result in 1995 was much closer with 49.4% in favor of sovereignty. In 1980 and 1994, the prime minister of Canada was also from Quebec; that was in itself a powerful counter-argument for Canada.  This time, the government of Canada is possibly the most alienating ever for Quebec; Harper is a right-wing prime minister from Alberta who has been completely rejected by Quebec voters in the federal elections last year.

Also, the July 1 1867 horoscope is not the only relevant one for Canada, because it only became a self-governing colony then.  It achieved full independence in matters such as defense and international relations with the passage of the Statute of Westminster by the British Parliament on 11 December 1931.  At that time, Pluto was in Cancer, Uranus was in Aries and Saturn was in Capricorn.  Uranus and Saturn will revisit the same degrees of those signs in coming years, and Pluto will oppose its position then when it reaches 23 Capricorn.

In conclusion, English-speaking Canada is convinced the issue of Quebec secession is dead and gone.  I think it is in for quite a shock when it realizes within the next year that it has come back stronger than ever. Quebec could leave Canada at about the same time Scotland secedes from the United Kingdom. The referendum on Scottish independence has been set for 2014.
 

Boujour Andre:

Bon martin...! (that's 'good morning' for you Ontario people !) LOL

As a proud Quebecker (and born and raised there, 20 years)...I fully agree with you... that the issue of Quebec's seperation is NOT dead...

You know, Canada is a double-Cancer country (Sun and Moon there?) and I have relocated Cancer on the ascendant at 9 degrees... So, yeah, I am a kind of a spokesman for  'les maudais Anglais " (NOT !)

Ha ! The censor lady cannot censor me...'cause she doesn't know what that MEANS !

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Effen golden, I'd say...!  Ha ha, gotcha back, Ms. webmaster !

Having said that, Cancer is a Moon-ruled sign and we all know that the Moon never ROTATES on its axis, like the other planets...In fact, it ONLY SHOWS its SHINY SIDE to the Earth, while the darker side of Cancer always remains HIDDEN...Isn't it true ?

Well, your post has revealed well...Canada's darker side...? as well as Canada's "Cancer" (and Libra?) tendency to hide or sweep things under the rug...
 
Meanwhile, les anglais de L'Ontario... are perhaps too arrogant or proud to acknowledge the rights of Quebeckers...and the right to control their own destiny...I would agree with that...

Mais, n'obliez pas... (DON'T FORGET !) that there are also currently nearly 900,000 English speaking people living on the Island of Montreal, alone..

Tell me, if you French people decide to become "independante", what will become of the fate of us English Quebeckers...

Will you guarantee us the same human rights for me and our children... that other Canadians currently enjoy...

Or, will you treat us as  'second class citizens,' (ie like sh*t) like you normally do...

French Quebeckers are sometimes amongst the most racist of people that I know and the way that French people of African, Haitian and Vietnamese descent have been sometimes treated by Quebeckers has been nothing less than deplorable...I have friends of Haitian and African descent currrently living in Quebec and this is what they tell me ?

Meanwhile, what about Quebec's darker side, too ? Namely, the unresolved land claims of the First nations people, (ie Inuit and Dene tribes?) and their claim for land surrounding the Manicouagan Hydro dam, the Baie James Hydro facility and many.,many other claims too many to mention, here !

I think that Quebec may have to leave with a fair chunk of the north missing..along with all that gold, iron ore, pulp and paper and other mineral rights... Quel Domage ! (what a pity!) LOL

These are questions that Madame Pauline Marois, leader of the Parti Quebecois, must fully answer before she gets my vote for seperation, if that ever happens at all...

If you feel that Quebec will seperate in 2014, what are (your) astrological reasons for that ? Please explain, as curious minds want to know...  LOL

As previously mentioned, the late Ottawa astrologer Shelagh Kendal, ironically, not a Canadian, but a British woman...was the first astrologer to predict that Quebec would eventually seperate from Canada...

The question is, when...and how.. Like I said, it is feasible that some of these issues (in my mind) cannot be settled politically, so the Supreme Court may ultimately have to decide Quebec's political fate and lot of other things, here in Canada...

There will be years and years of legal wrangling, for sure...

Re: Scottish seperation, I heard an interview on CBC radio recently where two proponents for Scottish independance said the chances of independance is unlikely anytime soon, since the British Labor party happens to hold political representation in many key ridings of Scotland, so they (the British Labor Party) are opposed to seperation for political reasons...


regards,



R.J. Smith

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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 02:30:15 PM »

Also, the July 1 1867 horoscope is not the only relevant one for Canada, because it only became a self-governing colony then.  It achieved full independence in matters such as defense and international relations with the passage of the Statute of Westminster by the British Parliament on 11 December 1931.  At that time, Pluto was in Cancer, Uranus was in Aries and Saturn was in Capricorn.  Uranus and Saturn will revisit the same degrees of those signs in coming years, and Pluto will oppose its position then when it reaches 23 Capricorn.


The chart of December 11th, 1931 may have relevance, but the reality is that the Dominion of Canada was formed in 1867.  Sir John A. McDonald, our first prime minister, was also sworn in on July 1st of that year, the same year and day that the country was born...

That was an emotional moment, a BIG DEAL... in Canadian history...

In 1967, as I recall, the Canadian government back then made an equally (rare?) big deal about Canada's centennial, or 100 years of existence. The Canadian government made a special canadian dollar with a centennial logo on the dollar and a special song was produced and recorded by Bobby Gimby...A special commemerative coin was minted and distributed to all Canadian school kids that year...

My goodness, the mundane chart for a country is not some continiously floating event, like a hockey game... It's dumb... to do continious charts for a nation already BORN ?

It's one chart, one shot, and one kill...Once a people declares itself as a nation, you CANNOT turn back the clock...just like Charles De Gaulle cannot take back his words...Vivre Quebec Libra, while speaking from a Montreal balcony and the FLQ cannot bring back the murdered British diplomat James Cross...(whom they murdered, plain and simple !)

But here's the irony... The Rose brothers, Paul and Jacques, who murdered Cross, were 'allowed' to come back to Quebec, after hiding in exile in Cuba...

Will I ever come back to Quebec to claim my Quebec citizenship, one day.

We'll see !  Cheesy


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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 02:47:22 PM »

Interesting comments!

I agree, the whole Quebec independence issue may indeed come to a head. Certainly years ago, when I first looked at Canada for 2012/13, I had to think of that issue. Just the Sabian symbol for Canada's Ascendant, "Two prim spinsters" compels even more mirthful reflection on the history of Canada and a potential advance on a "We are no longer speaking with you" theme.

Could this be what we are looking at?

James, I really appreciate your referral to the Saturn- Neptune cycle and the Soviet Union. Please do not be offended when I comment that the article, written in that quintessential French intellectual style... coming ever so close to saying something, but not quite... is really a good observation of an important planetary archetypal dynamic and its effects as seen through mundane Astrology.

Pierre Poutine, however, lives in Canada, and the cards on the table are different.

An alternate chart for Canada? Oh please. Just when we actually had a stunning, can't ever question it, horoscope for mundane considerations, along comes the unthinkable, but somehow so predictable suggestion to the contrary. sigh.

As I write, even more legal action is in motion to further the Robocalls scandal. Seven ridings are being challenged by private Canadians. if the challenges are accepted in courts, by-elections must ensue. All ridings saw Conservative candidate victories by a few hundred, sometimes just a handful of votes. Hmmmmm.

Just as the wheels go round on the Wild Rose Party's bus, this issue will not die quietly. I have all my chips pushed in on this one... so unlike me who shies from predictions... an so un-French.

Blain

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 03:24:30 PM »

blain,

my comment was directed at noel tyl who happened to comment in red lettering inside your initial post..  the link was an article on saturn/neptune and  neptune/uranus cycles having great bearing on the history of the ussr and greater then a particular solar arc direction in my view..

grabbing solar arc data and flinging it a certain way to suggest it means something significant without any wider astrological context for it to operate within is to not be taking mundane astrology all that seriously as i see it. i don't think it matters what country one wants to apply predictive work on if it doesn't include a thorough understanding of the history of the country from an astrological point of view as well..


it is easy to make predictions with dire predictions always having a certain mass appeal. however, it is much more difficult to study a countries history which would give a much stronger basis for a prediction.  these are some of my thoughts on working with mundane astrology. very few people do it,  though there are many folks who like to try without doing the work..   i question the level of commitment to the art of mundane astrology that exists today. as a consequence i tend to ignore much of what i read on a predictive level in mundane astrology..  
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2012, 12:02:48 PM »

Hey James and Blain:

Well, James, you have made a very good point about sloppy mundane predictions.  However, here is a question for you, since you have now elevated yourself into the expert's chair that I thought... Noel once occupied... LOL

It must be stated that NOBODY ever predicted  '9-11' in advance, (perhaps the most critical event, ever, in the history of the United States, next to the founding of the 13 colonies?) and even with all of the 'tons' of astrological/ historical research out there, and that no Canadian astrologer (that I can recall?) ever predicted the Quebec crisis, in advance either, with Trudeau calling the War Measures Act and the troops that eventually flooded the streets of Montreal...

There were some very good astrologers and psychics in Canada back in the 1960's and 70's; John Manelesco of Montreal, who had a live astrology show on CFCF TV, Robert Lindsay Milne, Brian Clark of Ottawa, Robin Armstrong of Toronto, none of them predicted the Quebec Crisis...in advance...

However, that (October crisis?) was an epic moment... in Canadian history...

So how come no one (that we know of?) predicted those events in advance...

They were both MARS like events, were they not, since Mars rules WAR and acts of war... It makes sense that Mars, either by transit or by progression or Solar ARC, should have been angular or prominent in the national charts and both countries...during the start of those crisis...

Supposing that Mars wasn't prominent? Would that negate the art of mundane astrology..or is mundane astrology more valuable than just about making predictions...

In other words, if a mundane chart for a certain country cannot corroborate the daily events happening in REAL life, should that chart be scrapped or tossed in the trash ?



Blaine:

Canada's chart for Libra rising is 'out there' and has been for more than 20 years...  But, of course, we agree to disagree... Cheesy   We Canadians don't really like divergent views and thinking, do they ? That is better explained in the Libra rising chart, by the way... LOL

all the best,


R.J.




p.s.  please remember that those who follow mundane astrology come into two categories. a) Those who live in the country and have an emotional stake in the mundane chart... And b) aliens and foreigners who have no personal ties or emotional stake in the chart.
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