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Offline James Williams

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Am I pregnant?
« on: March 23, 2012, 06:55:43 AM »
For those who would like to practice some horary, a woman recently asked, "Am I pregnant?"

The chart is attached below, and I will post her answer next Wednesday  :)
« Last Edit: March 23, 2012, 08:46:49 AM by Jim Williams »
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Re: Am I pregnant?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 06:51:04 AM »
BTW, in quickly looking through all 8 pages of horary on this forum, it seems as though no one has yet asked this question?!   :o

That is a bit surprising, since this is one of the "easier" horary questions to answer...at least in terms of knowing which houses signify this question....  ;D
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Re: Am I pregnant?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 08:24:49 AM »
Yes, it's going to be a girl?

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Re: Am I pregnant?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2012, 04:00:58 AM »
The querent has reported that no, she is not pregnant.

This can be seen very easily and quickly by the McEvers horary method.  In this system, the querent is always ruled by the 1st House and the Moon.  The 5th House rules pregnancies.  

The Cancer Ascendant in this example is very appropriate to the question, and its ruler, the Moon, is in its fall in Scorpio in the 5th House of pregnancy.  Using Regiomontanus house cusps, Libra is on the cusp of the 5th, and Scorpio is intercepted in the 5th, therefore the rulers of the 5th are Venus, Mars, and Pluto.  Also notice that Saturn is located in the 5th House along with the Moon.

In the McEvers horary system, if the ruler of the Ascendant (the querent) and the ruler of the house that represents the question aspect each other, the type of aspect shows the answer.  Squares and oppositions say NO.  Trines and sextiles indicate YES.  Conjunctions to the Sun, Venus, Jupiter and often the Moon and Mercury are usually positive.  Those to Mars, Saturn, Pluto, and sometimes Uranus are generally negative.  A quincunx indicates that circumstances will have to change before an answer is available.  Use major aspects only (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, quincunx, opposition).

All aspects are considered only when applying.  No aspect, no action.  If an aspect is applying, it can be from 0 degrees to 29 degrees.  An aspect continues until either planet exits from its current sign.  Any planet in dignity or exaltation is strengthened in the interpretation of a horary chart, while those in detriment or fall seem to work in a less positive way.

Thus, the ruler of the 1st, the Moon, has separated from an opposition with Venus, the ruler of the 5th, so no aspect, no action.

The Moon also has separated from a sextile with Mars, so again, no aspect, no action.

And the Moon has separated from a sextile with Pluto, so strike three.

And last but not least, the Moon has separated from a conjunction with Saturn in the 5th.  Thus, there are four clear indicators that imply no action, thus she is not pregnant.

Looking at this question from a more traditional horary approach, I see that Olivia Barclay mentions that Saturn and Neptune in the 5th House do not bode well for having children.

Additionally, Dr. J. Lee Lehman has nearly a dozen information-packed pages on this subject of pregnancy from a more traditional approach in her book entitled, The Martial Art of Horary Astrology.

But even more impressive from a traditional perspective is what is found in Derek Appleby’s book entitled, Horary Astrology: The art of astrological divination.  He includes eight indications of pregnancy laid down by William Lilly, and four indications of non-pregnancy.

For example, if none of the eight indications of pregnancy are present, or if barren signs (Gemini, Leo, Virgo) are on the Ascendant or 5th cusps, or if malefic planets are in the 1st or 5th Houses, or afflicting the rulers of the 1st and 5th and the Moon, the lady is not pregnant.

In this example, malefic Saturn is in the 5th House, and this seems to echo Barclay’s view that Saturn in the 5th does not bode well for having children.

Now, going back to McEvers horary system, I should also mention that she used Koch houses, not Regiomontanus.  In this example using Koch houses, the 5th House cusp is not 8 Libra 59, but 2 Scorpio 16!  Thus, she would have considered only the 5th House significators Mars and Pluto in this example, and not Venus or Saturn.

Oh, and before I forget, thank you Rob for your answer, and I should relay that the gender of a child is mentioned in Appleby’s book, as well as in Lehman’s.

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Re: Am I pregnant?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2012, 08:29:24 AM »
Okay Jim,

I didn’t look too intently at the chart, made a more of a snap judgement, which in fact I now see as having been a projection.

Interesting that the lady should first seek an astrologer’s help in the question though. Why not a doctor or a pregnancy test kit? Or even just wait?

My guess is that she was really asking the question in a psychological sense. Something is growing inside her for sure. Maybe justs needs astrological/spiritual support?

But, back to my books.
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Re: Am I pregnant?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2012, 11:43:36 AM »
Hi Rob, sometimes a woman just wants to know the morning after, and this is where astrologers can offer some much needed support!  Pregnancy test kits are most often used a few days later...but yes, there probably is a concomitant psychological aspect included as well...thanks again for responding!
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Am I pregnant?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 01:21:20 PM »
The querent has reported that no, she is not pregnant.

This can be seen very easily and quickly by the McEvers horary method.  In this system, the querent is always ruled by the 1st House and the Moon.  The 5th House rules pregnancies.  

The Cancer Ascendant in this example is very appropriate to the question, and its ruler, the Moon, is in its fall in Scorpio in the 5th House of pregnancy.  Using Regiomontanus house cusps, Libra is on the cusp of the 5th, and Scorpio is intercepted in the 5th, therefore the rulers of the 5th are Venus, Mars, and Pluto.  Also notice that Saturn is located in the 5th House along with the Moon.

In the McEvers horary system, if the ruler of the Ascendant (the querent) and the ruler of the house that represents the question aspect each other, the type of aspect shows the answer.  Squares and oppositions say NO.  Trines and sextiles indicate YES.  Conjunctions to the Sun, Venus, Jupiter and often the Moon and Mercury are usually positive.  Those to Mars, Saturn, Pluto, and sometimes Uranus are generally negative.  A quincunx indicates that circumstances will have to change before an answer is available.  Use major aspects only (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, quincunx, opposition).

All aspects are considered only when applying.  No aspect, no action.  If an aspect is applying, it can be from 0 degrees to 29 degrees.  An aspect continues until either planet exits from its current sign.  Any planet in dignity or exaltation is strengthened in the interpretation of a horary chart, while those in detriment or fall seem to work in a less positive way.

Thus, the ruler of the 1st, the Moon, has separated from an opposition with Venus, the ruler of the 5th, so no aspect, no action.

The Moon also has separated from a sextile with Mars, so again, no aspect, no action.

And the Moon has separated from a sextile with Pluto, so strike three.

And last but not least, the Moon has separated from a conjunction with Saturn in the 5th.  Thus, there are four clear indicators that imply no action, thus she is not pregnant.

Looking at this question from a more traditional horary approach, I see that Olivia Barclay mentions that Saturn and Neptune in the 5th House do not bode well for having children.

Additionally, Dr. J. Lee Lehman has nearly a dozen information-packed pages on this subject of pregnancy from a more traditional approach in her book entitled, The Martial Art of Horary Astrology.

But even more impressive from a traditional perspective is what is found in Derek Appleby’s book entitled, Horary Astrology: The art of astrological divination.  He includes eight indications of pregnancy laid down by William Lilly, and four indications of non-pregnancy.

For example, if none of the eight indications of pregnancy are present, or if barren signs (Gemini, Leo, Virgo) are on the Ascendant or 5th cusps, or if malefic planets are in the 1st or 5th Houses, or afflicting the rulers of the 1st and 5th and the Moon, the lady is not pregnant.

In this example, malefic Saturn is in the 5th House, and this seems to echo Barclay’s view that Saturn in the 5th does not bode well for having children.

Now, going back to McEvers horary system, I should also mention that she used Koch houses, not Regiomontanus.  In this example using Koch houses, the 5th House cusp is not 8 Libra 59, but 2 Scorpio 16!  Thus, she would have considered only the 5th House significators Mars and Pluto in this example, and not Venus or Saturn.

Oh, and before I forget, thank you Rob for your answer, and I should relay that the gender of a child is mentioned in Appleby’s book, as well as in Lehman’s.

 :)





This was sound horary advice, Jim.

Good on you, for an often asked question (pregnancy), I might add.

When doing pregnancy charts, also look for the radical Moon's sign position. Cancer and the water signs, tend to be the MOST fertile, Earth is next in fertileness, while fire and air signs tend to be the LEAST FERTILE...

In this case, it didn't matter, since the Moon in Scorpion (and 5th house ruler) was not making any applying aspect to the ascendant...

Meanwhile, you forgot to mention that the MOON (and the 5th house co-ruler, VENUS) were BOTH found intercepted, further debilitating the querent and therefore, impairing a positive outcome..?

Astrologer Anthony Louis frequently refers to intercepted horary planets as being in the pit, trapped and/or debilitated ?


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Re: Am I pregnant?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 02:17:35 PM »
Thanks R.J.  I assume that McEvers was familiar with traditional horary systems before she came up with her own, thus, it's rational that both traditional and more modern horary approaches arrive at the same answer, as Anthony Louis points out in his book!
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).