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Offline waterbird

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Will She Come Home in a Month?
« on: February 24, 2012, 06:15:59 PM »
This question was posed to me by a father whose young daughter has moved out of home into the home of a girl friend's family she has recently met.

Will She Come home in a Month?

The time of the question is: February 20th 2012 @ 2.19 pm Southport Qld. 27S58 153E25 Regiomontanus house System.
Asc: 24/53 Gemini  Moon in 8th 9/50 Aquarius
The Querent would be Mercury and the daughter represented by the 5th house Ruler, Mars in 3rd 18/23R so she is in his 11th House?
This is a very tough one for me as I'm close to the family and she left a month ago, has called home for money as her bag was stolen out of the g/fs car?

wb
« Last Edit: February 24, 2012, 06:20:07 PM by waterbird »

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 05:50:08 AM »
Thank you for sharing waterbird.  I am still learning to become proficient in horary astrology, so I definitely welcome the opportunity for practice!  I look forward to tackling this question!  Will reply with something later... :)

It seems to me that the motto of this forum, "Talking together about learning" applies especially within the realm of horary astrology!
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 06:51:20 AM »
This question was posed to me by a father whose young daughter has moved out of home into the home of a girl friend's family she has recently met.

Will She Come home in a Month?

The time of the question is: February 20th 2012 @ 2.19 pm Southport Qld. 27S58 153E25 Regiomontanus house System.
Asc: 24/53 Gemini  Moon in 8th 9/50 Aquarius
The Querent would be Mercury and the daughter represented by the 5th house Ruler, Mars in 3rd 18/23R so she is in his 11th House?
This is a very tough one for me as I'm close to the family and she left a month ago, has called home for money as her bag was stolen out of the g/fs car?

wb


Waterbird:

Thanks for posting that. Do you have the chart to post, as well ? Please post that, for those of us time starved and unable to do so.

Look at the Moon's conditions in a missing person's chart, as the Moon ALWAYS rules the missing person or thing ?

If the Moon makes a favorable aspect to the ruler of the 5th house or significator of the missing person, then all is well. On the other hand, if the Moon is afflicated, or doesn't make any connections with the ruling planet, then the matter is quite serious or problematic !

I will check this later, got to go !

good luck,


R.J. Smith



« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 06:53:10 AM by R.J. Smith »

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2012, 07:33:26 AM »
Here is the chart with Regiomontanus cusps...

"Will she come home in a month?"
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2012, 08:05:37 AM »
It appears the chart is radical, although Anthony Louis noted that "Some astrologers also believe that Pluto in the 7th House acts like Saturn."

Referring back to what R.J. suggested, my first comments are that the Moon does not make a favorable aspect to retrograde peregrine Mars, the ruler of the father's 5th House of Children. The Moon in 9 degrees Aquarius is also without essential dignity, and therefore is peregrine.  The Moon's last Ptolemaic aspect was a square with Jupiter, which rules the 7th House of the querent father, and the 3rd House of the young daughter who recently moved.  The Moon's last minor aspect was a semi-sextile with Pluto in the father's 7th and the daughter's 3rd.  The Moon's next Ptolemaic aspect is with the Nodes, and then a sextile with Venus in detriment in Aries in the father's 10th House and the daughter's 6th House.  The Moon's last aspect is a mutually applying trine with retrograde Saturn at 29 Libra, which is located in the father's 4th House and the daughter's 12th House.

Also, since Mercury rules the querent father, its aspect to the primary ruler of the daughter, Mars, should be checked.  Mercury is mutually applying to an opposition with Mars--in his 9th and 3rd Houses, and her 5th and 11th Houses.

I wonder if Venus is considered another significator of the daughter, since Louis lists Venus as a significator of "young women?"  Louis also mentions that Bonatus used the planet which the Moon will next aspect as a co-ruler of the quesited.  Does that include minor aspects as well as major aspects, for if so, the next planet the Moon aspects is Mercury with an applying semi-sextile, otherwise the first Ptolemaic aspect is with Venus, as mentioned above.

Neptune is combust (19 minutes) the Sun, and Neptune rules the father's 9th House and the daughter's 5th House.

And here arises more questions.  The Sun (father?) is mutually applying in an opposition aspect with retrograde Mars (daughter), but before this aspect occurs (and when exactly does it occur, e.g., when its partile or when its within orb, and if so, what orb?), Mercury interposes its aspect to Mars, so that "thereby the matter propounded is hindered and retarded" (Louis, p. 204).  In other words, is prohibition occuring here?!  Or would Mercury have to be behind the Sun, say for example at 0 Pisces 50, for prohibition to occur?!

Yi, yi, yi...these horary folks are not precise nor specific enough with their definitions, lol...

OK, enough for now...need a bit of a break...anyone else want to jump in here and add to this discussion, please do so.  Questions, comments, observations...it's how we all learn!
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 11:07:30 AM by Jim Williams »
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2012, 01:48:15 PM »
R.J,

Thank you - she is not 'missing' but chose to move into the home of a newly found g/f and her parents know where she is but at age 17 is naive and thus very vulnerable and can do and live where she pleases. She can also get welfare funds - Moon in 8th - and her parents are powerless in this situation. She is my only g/daughter and has very caring and loving parents.

Jim, Thank you for posting the chart, I'm not savvy enough to understand how to do this.The Mars as her significator and retro may indicate she will not return soon. Her living conditions would have dropped below those her parents provide and the Aquarian Moon may indicate she could be enjoying the freedom this gives her with no parental control.

wb
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 01:51:26 PM by waterbird »

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2012, 09:02:47 PM »
Thanks for the chart. WB... I think that the daughter will definitely come home, but whether in a month's time is debatible...

First of all, the rulers of the 1st house and 5th house are in CONFLICT (Mercury in Pisces makes an applying opposition to Mars in Virgo).  There seems to be a philosophical 'war' of differences going on, here, between Father and daughter...

This 'war' of words will not be resolved anytime soon...either..

However, the 4th house from the 5th house is the daughter's CURRENT ABODE, ruled by Saturn retrograde, while Venus rules the Libra family home...symbolized by the radix 4th house...

Since Saturn in Libra is both retrograde and peregrine, I don't anticipate a very long stay with the friend, welfare or no welfare...

The Moon in Aquarius (co-ruler of the daughter, but not a missing person, obviously) does sextile Venus in Aries, so a reunion with the family is HIGHLY possible...and likely...

However, Saturn, the dispositor of the Moon, does make a trine with the Gemini Ascendant, so that means that the daughter does have an attachment with her father, but since Saturn is found retrograde. her TRUE feelings about her father (and family?) are being hidden from public consumption... at this time...

Venus also rules young women, so the applying sextile, here, shows both sympathy and financial help from the immediate family...

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R.J.



« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 09:14:22 PM by R.J. Smith »

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2012, 09:27:35 PM »
R.J,

Thank you, I appreciate your time and work very much. She has been brought up in a close family and everything went pear-shape when she met the new girl friend.

She has been back to the family home to get her things and the atmosphere is very tense - her father avoids speaking to her as she flares up immediately if he does. So there is a 'war of words' as you define this so neatly. It's likely she will get welfare benefits but this is far from a substantial income to keep her outside the family home.

The Gemini Asc. indicates to me she is very immature and her actions echo this. You have given me the hope I need atm. Thank you.

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2012, 04:37:43 PM »
Speaking of Olivia Barclay, in her book entitled, "Horary Astrology Rediscovered", she has a similar example to this one with the question, "Will my wife come back to me and what shall I do?"  It's on page 168 in the 1990 paperback edition.

Also I found one in Anthony Louis' book entitled, "Horary Astrology: The History and Practice of Astro-Divination" with the question, "Will he return, and will I move from New York City?" It's Chart 42...
« Last Edit: February 26, 2012, 05:12:52 PM by Jim Williams »
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2012, 06:40:10 PM »
Jim,

Yes this is the book I spoke of. There are others available that are good for beginners. Olivia makes things easy to get a handle on Horary when you start out on a new project. I like to keep as close as I can to the original ways used for Horary Astrology.

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2012, 02:13:20 PM »
In Robert DeLuce's book, entitled Horary Astrology, he has a section entitled, "Concerning the Health or Condition of an Absent Brother or Sister" that may or may not be relevant here.  The brother or sister is represented by the 3rd House and its ruler(s).

He goes on to state, "Enquire concerning any relative by a similar method...the 5th House and its ruler for a son or daughter..." (1942, p. 75).

He adds that if the ruler of the 5th is in the 11th (as is the case with the father's daughter, as Mars is in the radix 3rd which is the 11th of the 5th), and "joined to the ruler of the 11th (which in this case is Mercury), she is well-situated with friends and is happy, but if evil planets afflict her, she is not content" (ibid.).  As pointed out before, Mercury and retrograde Mars are mutually applying in opposition...

What I find interesting here is that Mars is retrograding in an applying square aspect with the "evil afflicting" South Node, so I'm wondering if this signifies that the daughter is not content, or is in the process of becoming not content, with her current living situation?!...
« Last Edit: February 27, 2012, 05:05:38 PM by Jim Williams »
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 04:22:52 PM »
Jim,

Thank you for your comments. I have not heard of the book you mention before.

Her current living conditions would be well below her parents home, her own room, nice pool, good food,a car she can borrow at times, etc.She appears to be unconcerned about this any of this atm. Time could change this.

As R.J. picked it's simply 'a war of words with her father' mainly.

T Uranus is trine her N Sun so at present she wants her freedom to come and go as she pleases.

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Re: Will She Come Home in a Month?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 07:33:21 PM »
All,

Well she has not returned to the family home as yet to take up residence! She does come back to collect her 'things' and then leaves! I know it is early days in a sense - she left approx. early February so must still be enjoying her newly found freedom!

She may never return to the family home to live, I know cases where this has happened. But as long a she can stay out of trouble, finish school and keep her job this is all one can ask of the Universe.

water bird.