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cristache

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the breakdown of us gouverment
« on: October 04, 2013, 12:11:35 PM »
its very intersting how the us chart react ,arc of neptun square the moon of us and the transit are very elocvent ,the moon is the ruler of 2 and <money>.
and the us sun is in dificulty with this uranus-pluto square with the transit of saturn square the mc.

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2013, 04:08:41 PM »
Hi cristian, I like your black aspect lines, never seen that before.  How do you produce those black lines and what astrology program do you have?

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 07:38:13 PM »
I have been watch the first POTUS chart (13th April 1789 at 12.45.07 pm, New York, NY) as it has Mars at 13Aries31 in the 8th house, sesiquadrate the Ascendant of 28Leo41 and the Nodes at 28 Taurus-Scorpio.

The Uranus-Pluto transit is activating Mars, the Ascendant-Descendant and the Nodal axis of this chart so I thought that there would be some kind of government upheaval connected to financial matters.  This is a particularly powerful transit as Pluto rules the IC, which is the opposition party, and Uranus rules the Descendant of open enemies as well as partnerships.

This difficult transit comes to a head in April 2014 and is triggered by transiting Mars in Libra and transiting  Jupiter in Cancer.  Transiting Mars is opposite radix Mars January-June 2014 and activated by this current new Moon.

Even more worrying is Secondary Progressed Moon opposing radix Mars in February-March 2014, acting as a further trigger.

Ebertin in 'Combination of Stellar Influences' says of Uranus-Pluto = Mars "The stage of bending or breaking  ... fanaticism, violence, injury, accident"  and Uranus-Pluto = Ascendant "Applications of force  ..a restless environment".  With transiting Jupiter magnifying this and transiting Mars giving a further push, I think the USA and its government is in for some difficulties.
 
In addition, transiting Saturn is currently opposing radix Sun, ruler of the Ascendant, so the leader and the people are being blocked.

This POTUS chart is very important in assessing matters to do with government so should never be overlooked.

Alice

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 09:55:13 PM »
Alice,
Where did you get this data for the Washington Inauguration ("POTUS") chart?  I'd been using 1:20 pm LMT with 5:33 Virgo rising.  I really doubt if an observer in 1789 would have recorded the time to the second.  I am starting to accept Diana Stone's conclusion that the Declaration of Independence was not the beginning of the US.  As she puts it, a person in jail can declare themselves to be free, but it won't make any difference!

Don Borkowski
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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2013, 12:41:22 AM »
hi halina,
I use solarfire 7.06 and you can save any chart you want and then open in paint .

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2013, 01:10:30 AM »
Hello Don,

I still prefer the Marr chart for the U.S.A.

The government shuts down, it is an attack on the people...and the people are rightfully angry about it.   This sounds (mundanely) just like Mars on the IC...angry people and a direct challenge for the government in general, the "President" in particular.  Most of the presented circumstances about why this is happening are lies, a misleading theatrical production of epic proportions, a grand propaganda if you will... Neptune.

Below is the precessed demi-Lunar Return (angularity is KEY) for the governmental shutdown.  The first one shows the precessed demi-Lunar Return in the middle (to preserve Angles/Cusps)...notice Neptune as the "power planet" in this demi-Lunar Return, due to angularity.



Next is the (Marr) U.S.A. chart with the positions from the (precessed) demi-Lunar Return in the outer wheel.  The attack upon and the anger of the people is clearly demarcated by the demi-LR's Moon conjunction with Mars right on the IC, the People.  (the 4th House is also "the party not in power" and certainly, this is being used by GOP interests as a major attacking point against the President and his "affordable health care".)



Re: "I am starting to accept Diana Stone's conclusion that the Declaration of Independence was not the beginning of the US."

This is the date that the country has always celebrated as the real "birth" of the nation, ipso facto the correct birth date for the country.  Regardless, this date (with 7:43:40 UT) gives perfect Primary Directions for the major events of the country.  If one has any doubts, pull up a bi-wheel, diurnal chart for 9/11.  The astrology could not be more obvious.

http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?topic=2710.msg13277#msg13277

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James
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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2013, 01:43:40 AM »
I belive you moon is on the mc becose always us run the show teatrality or reality ,and always need a strong motivation to show to the world justification for his action.


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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2013, 01:46:01 AM »
and uranus have to be on the asc with your fantastic progres of evolution,all the industry ,media ,sport .

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2013, 12:44:03 PM »
Dear ODd James,
I have not abandoned the Marr rectification; I call it the "predictor" chart, as I use it for forecasting elections, etc.  I see it as a refinement of the 2:13 am chart.  I do maintain an interest in other historical charts, however, which is why I'm questioning Alice about the correct time of the Washington Inauguration ("POTUS") chart.

All my best,
Don

 
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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2013, 03:52:17 PM »
Alice,
Where did you get this data for the Washington Inauguration ("POTUS") chart?  I'd been using 1:20 pm LMT with 5:33 Virgo rising.  I really doubt if an observer in 1789 would have recorded the time to the second.  I am starting to accept Diana Stone's conclusion that the Declaration of Independence was not the beginning of the US.  As she puts it, a person in jail can declare themselves to be free, but it won't make any difference!

Don Borkowski

There was a huge discussion about this a few years ago on the Tyl forum and other forums.  Unfortunately Lorenzo Smerillo was involved and as he was quite derisive and abusive of other astrologers I think a lot of people tuned out.   Regardless of his personality, he is an excellent astrologer and researcher.

I quote:

"Nick Campion gives 12.45 pm on page 373 in the 2nd edition 2004 printing. To quote from page 373 '''The whole process became complete with the swearing in of the first president, George Washington on 30 April 1789 in New York, the capital.  Washington arrived at Federal hall at 12.30 pm, went straight inside, was introduced to Congress and took the oath. If this chronology is correct, the swearing in would have taken place by 12.45 pm, perhaps by 12.40 pm. The moment represents the final act in the creation of the USA out of the thirteen rebellious English colonies."

Age harmonics gives the most likely time as 12.45.07 pm.

This Swearing-In chart is very effective indeed in anything at all to do with the government of the USA and as the date, place and time are recorded there is no argument about its validity.

Alice

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2013, 05:35:07 PM »
Alice,
Would you know where the 1:20 pm time came from?

Diana Stone favors the surrender of Cornwallis to Washington as the first instance of the United States functioning as a unit.  I'll let her publish more before I say more.

Don
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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 07:01:15 AM »
 I think there is good predictive potency and historical synchronization in both the Marr Chart and the POTUS Chart. They both look to be valid and I have not found better charts for the USA yet.

 The Moon Mars conjunction that James points out is interesting .
 This is Mars in Vedic Cancer it's debilitation sign activated by the Moon.
In the past such transit brought us the BP Gulf of Mexico oil disaster. At least it was a major part of that fiasco.
 It looks to have triggered recent mayhem in Egypt due to conjuncting Egypt's natal Pluto.
    This transit in the  USA Marr chart took place in the 7th Lunar house of partners on the IC of the chart a critical point.

 Maybe it will be good in some way for America that is on it's way to financial ruination.

This may not be a good Solar year for Obama. On his birthday August 4th  the midpoint of the nodes the Jaws of the Dragon fell on his Sun at Solar return.

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 07:40:06 AM »
Progressive aspects The USA ( 14h20m11s local birthtime).

14-Oct-2013  018°,26'40 Libra   Moon    *  FORAMEN       (SAT    - JUP   )
15-Oct-2013  018°,28'17 Libra   Moon    0   mutual  Mars
18-Oct-2013  022°,19'28 Aries     Ven   135        C--2
21-Oct-2013  012°,17'22 Aries     MC    135        Black Moon
23-Oct-2013  018°,44'06 Libra   Moon   30        C-11
27-Oct-2013  018°,52'10 Libra   Moon  150   mutual  C-11
28-Oct-2013  020°,54'53 Aquarius   Merc  135        Jup

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2013, 07:49:04 AM »
 
Progressive aspects the USA.

12-Apr-1789  000°,00'00 Libra   C-11  Nw           
13-Apr-1789  +23°,08'23            Jup    //        Pars

I do not know what 13 april 1789 for The USA means.

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Re: the breakdown of us gouverment
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2013, 11:16:33 AM »
The 13th  looks like a typographical error.
 Alice has the 30th in the chart wheel.

April 30th 1789 was the day that Washington was sworn into office as president.