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Offline James Williams

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Animus Animations!
« on: January 23, 2015, 12:52:12 PM »
In Noel's book, Astrology of Intimacy, Sexuality, & Relationship: Insights to Wholeness, he mentions certain expressions of the anima and animus in chapter 3, entitled "Fear and Disillusionment.  Also in this chapter, he draws upon a work of one prominent Jungian analyst, John A. Sanford.  Noel also makes the following comment, "As we begin to discuss some negative animus/anima projections, each of us all too vividly will meet up with parts of ourselves in the descriptions.  Such study--more strongly developed than we are doing in this book--is impressively presented in many specialist texts dealing with Jungian analysis, available in bookstore psychology and self-help departments" (p. 70).

Recently, I have been re-reading certain Jungian authors, and one of them was the wife of Carl Jung himself, that is, Emma Jung.  Back in 1957, Spring Publications translated into English a book of hers entitled, Animus and Anima.  In this ongoing thread, I would like to share some of her insights into the negative animus, and as I do, I am thinking of a client who has her Sun in hard aspect to Neptune and Pluto, and her Mars in hard aspect to her Moon and Venus...please see page 73 and following in Noel's aforementioned book for similar examples...
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2015, 01:45:47 PM »
Here are some quotes on the negative or destructive animus from Emma Jung's aforementioned book...

"In a state of identification with the animus, we [women] think, say, or do something in the full conviction that it is we who are doing it, while in reality, without our having been aware of it, the animus has been speaking through us" (p. 14).

"...the animus has at its command a sort of aggressive authority and power of suggestion...the force of suggestion it exercises is due to woman's...lack of critical ability.  Such opinions or concepts, usually brought out with great aplomb, are especially characteristic of the animus...Ready-made, incontrovertibly valid judgments of this kind are really only applicable in mathematics, where two times two is always four...One of the most important ways that the [negative] animus expresses itself, then, is in making judgments..." (pp. 14-15).

"The power and authority of the animus phenomenon can be partly explained by the primitive mental lack of differentiation between imagination and reality.  Since what belongs to mind--that is, thought--possesses at the same time the character of indisputable reality, what the animus says seems also to be indisputably true" (p. 19).

"...the demand that is part of the nature of the animus...will obtrude itself in other ways, making claims which are not only inappropriate, as has already been said, but which produce precisely the wrong effects" (p. 39).

"...our animus may lag leadenly behind us in a lethargy, or confuse us with unruly, flickering inspirations..." (p. 40).

"But when women succeed in maintaining themselves against the [negative] animus, instead of allowing themselves to be devoured by it, then it ceases to be only a danger..."





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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2015, 06:00:23 AM »
Let's now move on to some other well-known Jungians on this problem of the negative animus in women...

Barbara Hannah was another one of the most famous early Jungians, and in her book entitled The Inner Journey: Lectures and Essays on Jungian Psychology, chapter six is entitled "The Problem of Contact with Animus."  Here are some of her thoughts, which closely parallel what Noel wrote in his aforementioned book...

"...a woman reacts with rigid opinions which go irritatingly beside the mark..." (p. 106).

"Recall that the animus has a negative and a positive aspect.  If we constantly run up against the negative side, we may assume--as is usually also the case in our human relationships--that we are failing to see his point of view" (p. 118).

"It is essential...to realize that it was the [negative] animus and his opinions that spoiled the hour, against the wish of the [woman's] conscious ego, or nothing at all will be gained.  The animus, it is true, will always turn the tables very neatly and--if he fails in his endeavor to make a woman blame the analyst, husband, or whoever it may be--he will attempt to throw the whole blame on the woman herself.  If she believes him, she will get into a state of inferiority which is just as destructive as her emotions and rage.  This blaming of a woman for all that he does himself is one of his best trump cards, for he thus binds her to his own existence and the thing for which she can really be blamed: failure to know her own animus" (pp. 121-122).
 
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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2015, 08:02:39 AM »
Another well-known early Jungian was M. Esther Harding.  In her book, The I and the Not I: A study in the development of consciousness, she also comments on the negative animus in women...

"A woman who acts by means of an identification to her [negative] animus instead of in her own feminine way will be argumentative, dogmatic, opinionated...The woman dominated by her animus is so well known in literature and also so frequently met with in life that I hardly need to describe her further" (p. 111).

"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2015, 01:35:17 PM »
...and to conclude I'll include some more comments on the negative animus in women by Jungian analyst and Episcopalian priest, John A. Sanford, whom Noel, as mentioned above in my first post in this thread, cites in chapter 3 of his aforementioned book. 

"It is the [negative] animus who is behind the autonomous, critical, and opinionated thoughts that intrude into a woman's consciousness...the animus is the master of opinions in a woman" (p. 43).

"...other people cannot stand the [negative animus] woman because of the blunt and critical judgments she passes...The opinions of the animus have a peculiarly irritating effect on other people because, in spite of their seeming logic, they do not fit...Yet neither can they be reasoned with, for the animus has an absolutist attitude, and his opinions are not amenable to discussion or qualification...she becomes identical with banal statements, sweeping judgments, or generalizations" (p. 44).

"The animus often keeps other people from reaching and experiencing the warm, feeling side of a woman because they cannot get through the animus and his opinions" (p. 45).

"As Barbara Hannah notes, the Reverend Jabes Branderham is an apt personification of the capacity of the animus to go on and on reciting the list of 'sins' that he claims people have committed.  The negative animus can dredge up the most remarkable incidents to add to his unending list of sins and failures, and in addition to acting as prosecutor, appoints himself judge as well.  He has no mercy in his pronouncements, and there is no end to the list of faults he can find" (p. 47).

This book that Noel and I are quoting from by Sanford is entitled, The Invisible Partners: How the Male and Female in each of Us Affects Our Relationships.
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2015, 05:33:18 AM »
...and here's a short youtube video on the negative animus from my most favorite Jungian, Dr. Marie-Louise von Franz...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3uBwDVqfMs&list=PL_oVZUIMhZs1Nbyn1CbPHSCTUDhYjf46I&index=16
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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2015, 07:29:50 AM »
James:  Two favors, please.

1.   Your posts focus on the feminine projection of the animus, and particularly relies on examples of the inner b_tch.  Do your sources discuss the obverse side of the coin, the male projection of the inner a__hole?

2.   Could you discuss Noel's thesis that the anima/animus manifests our need fulfillment efforts by joining with people who possess some astrological element we may lack. See Astrology of Intimacy, p. 78, et seq.  Can you say something about the phenomenon in individuals where their elements are in relative balance.

Thank you.
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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2015, 08:35:15 AM »
Hi Lopaka,

1. Yes, all of the sources I cited above do discuss also the negative anima...

2. I'm still working on this one, as I'm not familiar with the work of Banzhaf and Theler...perhaps others here--and/or Noel--would like to say something about this...

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2015, 05:49:54 AM »
...and here is a link on it by some of what Jung wrote about it...very informative and instructive... :)

http://carljungdepthpsychology.blogspot.com/2012/02/zyzygy-anima-and-animus-carl-jung.html
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2015, 06:33:59 AM »
Quite a bit in that last blog. I have not even read the entire thing, much less digested it.
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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2015, 06:39:12 AM »
...yes, not to be eaten in one session!  ;D
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2015, 07:29:17 AM »
Hi James, speaking of animus/anima projections, a week ago I got the book "Your Hidden Face: Projection In The Horoscope" by Tim Lyons and he goes into Jung's anima/amimus in great detail....also quotes Emma Jung and Marie Von Franz and Jung himself among others.

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2015, 07:41:13 AM »
Thank you Halina...will definitely check it out!  :)
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 12:50:56 PM »
Good James, it has 394 pages.....chapters include...Gender-Based Projections.....Aspects & Projections....Houses As Indicators Of Projection.....Perception, Projection and the Signs....The Foci of Security: Saturn & Moon....Collective Projection....Projection & USA Foreign Policy....etc.
       He gathers reference from Marie Louise Von Franz(thanks for the U Tube Video), Sigmund Freud, Alice Freud,  Chogyam Trungpa, Noel Tyl, Habegger,
and many more.
       His example charts include: Emily Dickinson, William Butler Yeats, Alice Sheldon, F. Lee Bailey, Thomas Mann, Henry Kissinger, Carl Jung, Alfred Adler, Mohandus Ghandi, Herman Melville, Jerry Rubin, Bob Dylan, Hillary Clinton, Ken Starr, George H. Bush, United States Chart, Invasion of Mexico, World Trade Center Attack, Afghanistan War, Iraq War, and Adolf Hitler.

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Re: Animus Animations!
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2015, 01:35:39 PM »
Thank you Halina...
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).