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Selling Leonardo
« on: November 13, 2017, 04:52:12 PM »
Tomorrow the 15th Nov, Leonardo''s Salvator Mundi is up for auction in NYork at Christíe's  Among other things tr Mars conjuncts L's  Saturn in Libra and I have written a part astro blog article in relation to the auction which you may find of interest. See
https://wp.me/p2v96G-YJ
I could and would have written more if the net were working better and I could have got more easily into Astrodienst's asteroids section which keeps cutting out. I am hearing of numbers of people having problems of this kind with the Net in the last few days but anyway I have managed sufficiently to get out a basic article. I believe that the Leonardo asteroid is at 6 Cap which means that tr Jupiter is sextile him at a time of big deals. I would like to know where Isa (Jesus) and Christa might be on Leonardo's pattern. If anybody can see them you might tell us.

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 06:02:09 PM »
 Hi Rollar,  you had the year of birth as 1 year earlier than ADB.....anyway here is the biwheel for the sale at 7pm.
Try this site for looking up asteroid positions......www.true-node.com/eph1
The site will open with blanks to fill in, for example in the first blank type in the name of the asteroid you are looking up.
for example, Leonardo, then type in the date of the ephemeris you want....I'm not sure it goes back as far as that century,
I am going to test it......nope, their asteroid ephemeris doesn't go back that far, so don't use the site I posted, unless you
want ephemerides say for 18th, 19th, 20th etc century.
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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 06:47:43 PM »
    O.K. here's your date, the Gregorian calendar date, showing biwheel, Leonardo natal inside, sale at 7pm outside.    Don't think there's much change.

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 06:55:04 PM »
Yes, I think we now have it. I give Gregorian date in my text 23rd April not 14th April Julian

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 07:00:25 PM »
Hi Rollarm, I'm trying to find a site that takes asteroids back to the year 1452 so that I can add those asteroids to his natal.
Does that site you tried go that far back.....what is the url for that site ....is it www.astrodienst.com?

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 09:39:09 PM »
Halina - Yes it's a big file at Astrodienst and it supplies asteroids to remote dates. I used it for the data in my  Testament of the Magi and I've never had trouble with using it before.

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2017, 05:59:17 AM »
Hi Rollanrm,  how far back does the Astrodienst ephemeris go for asteroids.....does it post asteroids for the year 1452???   And would you mind listing the steps in doing da Vinci's natal, setting up a biwheel with transits for sale date,  and then adding asteroids.....maybe I'll have better luck with Astrodienst.
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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2017, 01:56:18 PM »
Hi rollanrm and All, interesting that there’s another significant ‘selling’ of Leonardo da Vinci’s popularity, greatness, and name recognition right now: Leonardo da Vinci, a biography – by renowned cultural historian Walter Isaacson ( who specializes in examining cultural icons like Benjamin Franklin, Einstein, and Steve Jobs) – went on sale in mid-October with transiting Jupiter beginning its opposition of da Vinci’s natal Sun.

The auction is, I think, a wonderful reflection of the transiting Jupiter-Venus conjunction, in Scorpio, with a focus on money, financial perspective, and shared values, and suggesting an opportunity for artistic (Venus) speculation (Jupiter), acquisition, admiration.  Now triggering (opposing) da Vinci’s productive Taurus Sun, indeed the public will see a significant show of material recognition for his work.   
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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2017, 02:28:53 PM »
Halina - I believe Astrodienst once said it supplies asteroids back as far as 500 BC. All you do to obtain relevant info is what you would normally do. Cast a chart and go to the Extended Chart Selection and on its page check out the asteroids, fixed stars, hypotheticals or whatever it is you want for the chart you have cast. I didn't set up any biwheel for Leonardo. I simply looked at the auction date and saw if any transits were relevant to the natal pattern and a few were very obvious. Btw note that Astrodienst deals in Gregorian dates, that is why you were confused by what I had written for Leonardo which was the generally given Greg equivalent for his Julian date.

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2017, 05:55:54 AM »
Thanx Rollanrm,  for the Astrodienst asteroid data.   The "Savior of the World" painting sold for $450 million....add another
$50 million in fees for the buyer.

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2017, 06:25:21 AM »
SOLD for $450.3 Million, far surpassing the previous art auction high of $179.4 Million for a Picasso painting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/15/arts/design/leonardo-da-vinci-salvator-mundi-christies-auction.html

WOW. Astrologically referencing Leonardo da Vinci's 'chart lives on' potential, I see the record-breaking amount and 'historic moment' of individual recognition reflected with:

-transiting Mars conjunct his natal Saturn, as rollanrm points out, triggering a substantial show of public appeal and respect for his artistic mastery (Saturn in Libra);

-and transiting Jupiter-Venus opposing his natal Sun, suggesting an opportunity for great benefit, recognition, or wealth, associated with his work.   

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 03:29:02 PM »
Fascinating,

I read an unkind review of Isaacson's new book back when it first came out. I think this essay, in his own words, is more on point. I love all things DaVinci... and apparently so do many others.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lessons-of-leonardo-how-to-be-a-creative-genius-1506690180?mg=prod/accounts-wsj

Five years after Dan Brown's book The DaVinci Code and then after the movie became a hit a little obscure pamphlet was written in 2008 by Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet. Very much worth the read as it is short (but very rich and sumptuous) and very inexpensive.

For the astrologer or artist in your life this piece is truly a magnificent find.

http://www.patrizianorellibachelet.com/Leonardo.html

All the best,

HVA
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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2017, 08:47:59 AM »
Interesting PN-B link, Tim. Enlightenment, renaissance, ‘evolutionary journey’ – these triggered my thinking about Jupiter now transiting in Scorpio. A significant passage for some, perhaps,  intensifying individual understanding and purpose.   

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2017, 11:06:45 PM »
the real photo(picture) of jesus is here
http://lovelightwithin.blogspot.ca/2012/08/sananda-actual-photograph-taken-on-june.html

1 june 1961 with jupiter conjunct saturn which jesus had.

Jim

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Re: Selling Leonardo
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2017, 07:41:57 AM »
Leonardo Part I


Leonardo’s chart is fascinating! Studying the Solar Arc movements over such an enormous period of time, since his birth in 1452, is an awe inspiring exercise, nearly as awe inspiring as the flying machines he sketched in his notebooks. The Sun arced to 18 Scorpio as of November 15, 2017, the day the Salvador Mundi was sold at auction for $450,000,000. [see The Sabian Symbols by Blain Bovee, page 90.]


565 years have elapsed since Leonardo’s birth so the Sun has in fact “circled the roundabout” so to speak one a half times. In effect we are retracing some old ground; we have been here before, specifically 365 years ago in 1652. Seems like only yesterday  ;). The distance of the arc of the Sun from its natal placement is 195 degrees (3 Taurus to 3 Scorpio + 15 degrees equals 18 Scorpio) but requires 200 years in order to make that journey. So, Leonardo’s Solar Arcs reflect an accumulation error of 5 years over a period of 200 years. Like Queen Elizabeth, Leonardo “was born in April, the arc is a bit slow, so Elizabeth Leonardo will be a bit older (than the length of the arc) when the arc forms.” (Noel Tyl, Solar Arcs p.26) In the case of Leonardo’s chart about 1 degree of error accumulates every 40 years.


It so happens that when the Sun arrives at 18 Scorpio by Solar Arc, every other planet and sensitive point on Leonardo’s birth chart progresses by Solar Arc theory as well into a quindecile relationship with its own natal position. The 1652 Solar Arc chart is nearly identical in every respect to the 2017 Solar Arc chart. However, in 1652 a “doorway was cut through” (Wikipedia) The Last Supper, the mural Leonardo painted on the wall of a convent in Milan, Italy. How ironic for the King of Kings the “doorway” in the Age of Pisces also “cut off” his feet inside the country itself the shape of a boot; Rome, Italy being the Center of the previous Age: Pisces. The building later became a French munitions depot as well as a prison, and on August 15, 1943 the entire building was nearly wiped off the face of the earth in a WWII bombing campaign. There is a picture on Wikipedia of the rubble and one is immediately struck by the miraculous survival of that painting. Pluto had arced to the Ascendant at 6 degrees of Sagittarius on Da Vinci’s chart as transiting Uranus crossed the descendant (Also Saturn=Mars, Ascendant=Saturn/Neptune as Venus and the Sun can’t get into position fast enough to avert disaster.) Matters in 1652 were definitely threatening enough, the quindecile symbolizing separation and things falling apart quite literally but only a prelude perhaps to the “decay” of what was yet to come in the throes of war.


However, when we contrast the 1652 chart with the chart from November 15, 2017 the planets arc to the very same degree, but we witness an entirely different outcome (“refreshment” is Bovee’s choice of word). 200 years after the birth of Leonardo from a Solar Arc perspective looks exactly like 565 years after the birth of Leonardo. Of course there is some variation of transit activity within the “universal quindecile” charts expressed by both time periods, and with that a more disparate or opposite “lived experience” could not have been imagined. In the first instance we might see Da Vinci’s spirit as being under assault, while in the second instance we can easily imagine an Immortal Victory of sorts. The Salvatore Mundi went from obscurity in 2005 to world renown in what appeared to be an instant.


In 1652, transiting Mars crossed Leonardo’s MC while Uranus and Neptune squared the Midheaven. Transiting Venus was conjunct and transiting Jupiter was square natal Saturn. Perhaps a veil of protection was afforded the old master’s reputation when French soldiers took turns throwing objects at the wall and scaling ladders in order to scratch out the eyes of the apostles in Da Vinci’s depiction of the Last Supper. Ignorance is blind. In 2017, transiting Saturn was/is square the MC and Neptune is Quindecile the MC while Mars is conjunct natal Saturn and trine natal Mars, triggering a change of status. Notably, the difference between the 1652 chart and the 2017 chart as mentioned above is 365 years. Seems like only yesterday  ;).


The Earth takes 365 days to encircle the Sun in order to complete one revolution of its orbit and 24 hours to turn all sides of her face to the light of the Sun. Each 24 degree period marks 1/15th of the 360 degree circle. The number 15 then relates to the calendar by way of dividing the hours in a day into the days of the year; 365/24=15.20i. Now I suppose it is just a coincidence to some but what if Leonardo was onto something more than it seems? And just for the sake of argument we might say that the something he was on to was not quite complete, like so many of his projects. Leonardo died in 1519, just shy of the 1520 mark. It is a little obtuse here but we can faintly see the day for a year equation playing out in the Lila. The quindecile itself is 180 degrees minus 15, or 165 degrees: 360 degrees minus 165 degrees equals 195 degrees; or 1652=2017. We might say that Leonardo was striving to realize something elusive and coming very near to the Truth by the Lived Experience and not exclusively following what would become known as the scientific method, like Newton or Bacon. He was a renaissance man. A Seer… The Sun in Taurus and the Moon in Pisces suggesting a practical creativity that takes on an emotional hue that can be mystical, ethereal and beautiful.

The Salvator Mundi was sold in 1651 to John Stone a mason/architect, and the painting faded from the light of day for a few hundred years. Maybe Leonardo’s work went into hiding, waiting for a better day. And although his genius and works were not fully revealed for that ‘brief time’, we might say that his “real work” lay hidden beneath layers and layers of paint/time/degrees; a cover-up and trickery of epic proportion. Salvator Mundi was nearly erased from our memories, but a questionable chain of custody preserved and finally restored the work to its rightful place at 18 degrees of Scorpio. Patiently, Leonardo seems to be waiting for the rest of the world to catch up.


Best,

HVA

iSee The New Way by Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet the full treatment of this formula is revealed on page 205 (Salvatore Mundi was snatched from oblivion in 2005) The number 15 holds significance in what PNB calls the Geometry of Time and connects the time (calendar) and space with this number, even with Pope Gregory’s reformation of the calendar in 1582.  p. 242
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