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Offline Isaac Starkman

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Trump- Kim Summit
« on: June 10, 2018, 03:48:26 AM »
What are the prospects for this summit?
In Donald Trump's chart, using my rectification for 10.47.54 EDT, there are several good indications:
Transits:
Mercury  sextile Asc
Converse Transits:
Jupiter 120 MC 9' and 90 Sun 0'!
Venus 60 MC 0'
In the converse lunar return, casting for Washington DC, Jupiter on IC
The same lunar, casting for Singapore, Jupiter exactly on MC!

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2018, 07:35:55 AM »
Trump's natal Venus MC is receiving a sextile from the transiting Moon which is conjunct his MC.
Transiting Venus is conjunct his natal Venus.

If nothing else happens there is plenty of good feelings to share; a sense of rapport if not camaraderie. Trumps charade in Canada may in fact be a not so subtle message to Kim that he is not like other western leaders. That projection creates space for important sympathetic connection, potentially.

Transiting Pluto4 (I am using the published chart not the rectified chart) is exactly inconjunct the Nodal Axis... the adjustment Trump makes to various cohorts (groups) from moment to moment are dramatic and legendary. We see this energy in his opposing G6 leaders and his constant peppering on Twitter about the Mueller investigation. Both of these observations I think can play well into strengthening his hand in negotiating with Kim. 

Transiting Neptune in the 7th is bothersome. It squares Trump's Uranus 6-7 and I have a difficult time seeing any sort of creative breakthrough that moves in the direction of a peaceful ideal. It is easier to see deceptive treachery at work within partnerships and between enemies.

This could be frustrating for Trump in the long run as transiting Saturn opposes natal Mercury and squares natal Neptune while quindecile the Sun. His tried and true tactics may have met their match. It would seem that despite the messaging that comes out of the meeting afterward, the issues are more complicated than blunt instruments can satisfy. AND then some of the other issues plaguing the Presidency just beyond this event present something of a reality check for Trump despite his proclivity to self-deception.

Nevertheless, as the meeting takes place, the potential for peace under the waning Jupiter-Neptune trine transit is hopeful. It just may mean that the story unfolds in a way that no one expects including say the assassination of Kim in the not too distant future... And with North Korea's door opened, because of Trump's antics, and with Kim out of the way eventually, the world will make real progress on this important issue.


Thank you Mr. President.

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 01:03:49 PM »
Good points, Tim.   

(Using Trump's AA-rated 10:54AM chart) to me, T Saturn (7 Capricorn) forming a cardinal T-Square with Trump’s natal Mercury-Neptune square (at 9 Cancer and 6 Libra, respectively) stands out, and reflects the circumstances so well. He's going into an  important, ambitious, potentially challenging meeting and discussion (Mercury); likely with a sense of heavy responsibility (as Noel says for Saturn=Mercury combos in S&C) to successfully manage potentially opposing viewpoints and significant consequences (Saturn), in a situation with many unknowns (Neptune).   

This decisive transiting T-Square was in orb in early March when Trump accepted Kim’s invitation to meet, and it is in orb for the meeting but note T Saturn is now retrograde – perhaps suggesting further development, a delay or patience needed, before we know/see an outcome to this summit. T Saturn will be direct and in orb again in late November – a focal or conclusive time related to this meeting? 

Isaac, I agree that T Mercury sextile his natal Mars-ASC looks favorable for Trump - suggesting a boost in personal initiative, confidence, and curiosity; an exciting communication opportunity might be the perfect outlet for this kind of influence.   

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2018, 05:14:38 AM »
To maybe simplify here, this historic encounter is due to take place at the dark of the moon. Basically by all tradition this is just bad. There may be developments and I am reasonably sure there can be some, but they are unlikely to be truly permanent or really positive. A degree of deception seems likely. However, following this, the new moon conjunct Trump's Sun in the 10th to the degree and Uranus more loosely, promises an interesting month - possibly there will be developments as regards the Mid East Peace Plan of which we await details especially as the lunation hits Israel's Uranus.

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 05:29:11 AM »
Huge 12th House emphasis going on right now in Trump's Jyotisha natal chart during this summit....
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2018, 05:32:24 AM »
Trump's Chara Dasha...

Chara dasa of K.N.Rao (modified version of a phalita rasi dasa):

 Maha Dasas:

 Le: 1946-06-14 (10:53:02 am) - 1949-06-14 (4:19:18 am)
 Vi: 1949-06-14 (4:19:18 am) - 1952-06-13 (9:45:33 pm)
 Li: 1952-06-13 (9:45:33 pm) - 1961-06-14 (2:04:20 am)
 Sc: 1961-06-14 (2:04:20 am) - 1970-06-14 (6:23:07 am)
 Sg: 1970-06-14 (6:23:07 am) - 1979-06-14 (10:41:54 am)
 Cp: 1979-06-14 (10:41:54 am) - 1985-06-13 (9:34:25 pm)
 Aq: 1985-06-13 (9:34:25 pm) - 1994-06-14 (1:53:12 am)
 Pi: 1994-06-14 (1:53:12 am) - 2000-06-13 (12:45:44 pm)
 Ar: 2000-06-13 (12:45:44 pm) - 2004-06-13 (12:00:45 pm)
 Ta: 2004-06-13 (12:00:45 pm) - 2006-06-13 (11:38:15 pm)
 Ge: 2006-06-13 (11:38:15 pm) - 2018-06-13 (9:23:18 pm)
 Cn: 2018-06-13 (9:23:18 pm) - 2026-06-13 (7:53:19 pm)

"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2018, 11:50:46 PM »
In the chart for the summit, Moon, the ruler, is applying sextile to Venus which I see it as a very promising indication.. Helio Mercury in this chart is conjunct Venus, trine helio Jupiter and sextile helio Venus. Helio Mercury is in exact sextile to Trump's  MC orb 27'- a wonderful combination.
Below are 2 charts: The summit- geo and helio and the second chart is the Heliocentric positions for Trump and the heliocentric transits.
Is Trump is in the way to the Peace Nobel Prize? His Venus, MC ruler, is sextile MC.

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 11:57:50 PM »
The Summit chart- geo and helio

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2018, 03:01:06 AM »
"At around 1.40pm, the leaders emerged along with key officials to sign the document that had four main points. that reaffirms Among them: Joint efforts to build a “lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula”.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/in-pictures-a-walk-through-the-historic-trump-kim-summit-10423548

Mercury on MC, Venus trine Desc, Moon sextile Desc, helio Venus on Asc. Helio Mercury trine helio Jupiter.

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2018, 05:34:54 PM »
Huge 12th House emphasis going on right now in Trump's Jyotisha natal chart during this summit....

Alas, some relevance to the disturbing Otto Warmbier arrest/torture/death?

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Re: Trump- Kim Summit
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2018, 07:17:14 PM »
The way the 12th House emphasis played out for Trump during the summit was his salient emphasis on "life in foreign or remote countries" (Braha).

Trump's decision to halt joint military exercises between America and South Korea, provide sanction relief following denuclearization, remove a number of American troops defending South Korea, reaffirm the Panmunjom Declaration, and conduct further discussions with North Korean officials, etc., were all on his agenda in regards to current ongoing life in North Korea.
"Time is a trick, a vast illusion...Yet there is a plan behind appearances that does not change. The script is written. For we but see the journey from the point at which it ended, looking back on it, imagining we make it once again; reviewing mentally what has gone by"  (Jesus).