On the Sun, Pluto, Death, Grieving, Love and Hope

[adol33]

Today is Elisabeth Kubler Ross's birthday (July 8, 1926). She was a pioneer in near-death studies. She was born with the Sun and the Node, which represents the public, at 16 Cancer conjunct Pluto at 14 Cancer. During her life, Pluto progressed slowly over her natal Sun position.

Some of her quotes:

"There are no mistakes, no coincidences. All events are blessings given to us to learn from."

"Learn to get in touch with the silence within yourself and know that everything in this life has a purpose."

"The ultimate lesson all of us have to learn is unconditional love, which includes not only others but ourselves as well."

If you Google her, you see people also Google David Kessler and Cicely Saunders.

David Kessler is one of the world's foremost experts on healing and love. Born on February 16, 1959, he has his Sun and Mercury (late Aqu) opposite Pluto (early Vir). By retrograde progression, Pluto has been tightening this opposition aspect during his life.

Cicely Saunders was born on June 22, 1918. She had her Sun at 0 Cancer conjunct Pluto at 4 Cancer. She founded the modern hospice movement.

She said, “You matter because you are you, and you matter to the end of your life. We will do all we can not only to help you die peacefully, but also to live until you die.”

For interest, Florence Nightingale (May 12, 1820) was born with Pluto at 28 Pisces which slowly progressed over her Node during her life  at 29 Pisces. There are many more examples that I remember noticing over the years.

In South Africa, Gail and Sid Unsworth (born Sep, 5 1965 and Mar 4, 1965). Gail has Sun conjunct Pluto and Sid has Sun opposite Pluto.

Both of their mothers suffered from Alzheimer's. Together they founded and built up Graceland, a nursing home that specialises in caring for those living with Dementia and Alzheimer's.


Comments on Yahoo today to reassure you:

Hillbilly Patriot 8 hours ago
My great aunt was married to the love of her life, a candy salesman in NY. Her wild younger sister took steps to break them up, planting evidence, so her sister could go with her on a trip. Despite his protestations of innocence, she divorced him choosing to believe her younger sister.
My great aunt never married or dated anyone after her heartbreak. Many years later, as she lay dying, my mother and grandmother were with her when they heard her say very clearly, "Oh, Ed... it's been such a long time". And then she took her last breath.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/m/8ea13bf9-a3b9-3d16-a19b-685de13763e5/ss_near-death%2C-seeing-dead.html

[Robynne]

Having studied Elizabeth Kubler Ross's chart quite a bit and having read quite a few of her books during a time I was volunteering with bereavement support work, am always struck by just how perfectly that chart fits her, or her the chart.

Neptune (1) placed in her 6th but square Saturn in Scorpio in the 8th, aligned with a predominance of water for the sensitivity, caring and compassion required to work in such a sensitive field.

Maybe just turning what she was naturally into work, but not without it's challenges. She really was a groundbreaker in a time when death was still a taboo subject and not spoken openly about.

And yet.. that first house Uranus is usually a signature of someone who makes their own rules and is not afraid to defy convention, often but not always for an altruistic purpose.

Truly a healer. Thanks for the opportunity to review.   

[Barbara Ybarra]

Hello.  Both of you wrote such beautiful and meaningful posts.  I wish I could come up with something as profound but I’ve got to drive my car for maintenance today and have errands on my mind.  I wanted to key this, though, so that some others who passed it up like I did the first time might stop to read it.

Maybe some of the people who have very prominent Pluto in their charts (like Pluto in square, opposition, or conjunction to Sun), can share some thoughts here.  Both my mother and my brother have Sun square Pluto.  My mother is 87 and I keep praying that before her death she might have some sort of transformation or realization that life is more than just defending herself against the terrors of this world.  My brother is currently working hard on seeing life differently than he has been.  I have more empathy for my brother because I’ve watched him from infancy suffer from the slings and arrows of life, much of which was pretty ordinary, but for him was acutely painful. 

Death is our biggest transformation after birth.  (Duh. Not profound).  We are said to do it alone, but I don’t think so.  If no one is there to hold our hand, some one comes from the other side.

[James Williams]

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/K%C3%BCbler-Ross,_Elisabeth

[pdw]

Very interesting, I’ve been reading about EKR since this thread appeared. Not mentioned yet she also was a progressive spiritualist, so to speak (reflecting her Aquarius 12th House ruled by her 1st House Uranus at AP). Perhaps even more controversial than her outspoken advocacy for the terminally ill, she was a proponent of near-death experiences, the afterlife, and spirit guides, her ‘spooks’ as she called them. Her natal Aquarius 12th House Jupiter rules her Sagittarius 9th and 10th Houses – a far out, mind-expanding emphasis! – suggesting, to me, potential to engage the public (N Jupiter sextile MC) with her special interests, study, and beliefs.

Surprisingly, to me at least, EKR was rather close-minded when it came to the subject of euthanasia; she was not a proponent of either euthanasia or Dr. Jack Kervorkian (b., May 26, 1928; Pontiac, MI; time unknown), a fellow physician focused on death issues at the time. Kervorkian, a pathologist who became known as Dr. Death, stirred the public ‘Right To Die’ conversation with his highly controversial advocacy of euthanasia (Gemini natal Sun-Node sextile Aries Uranus-Mars) and pioneering (unlawful) participation in physician-assisted suicide, which he eventually went to prison for.

[amymaddalozzo]

I am originally from Detroit and many people  in the Detroit area really ADMIRE   "Dr Death",including many elderly people.  By the way, there was a tv movie on HBO about Dr Death and Al Pacino own an emmy for his performance    AMY

[Robynne]

Re-reading your comments Barbara helps to bring a perspective on Sun - Pluto aspects, especially with your mother and brother having them square to each other, so in tension mode.

It always seem to me that people with Sun - Pluto aspects do deal in the deeper darker aspects of life because they don't tread on the surface or in the shallows.

Having a Sun opposite Pluto aspect myself, apart from working ar times with death and bereavement and darker social issues, it seems to be an inherited attitude of never quite being able to feel secure, always having a sense that you are waiting for the next bomb to drop, or being commandeered into damage control mode. This can provoke an underlying sense of anxiety.

Without getting into the blame game, I believe it was actually my mother that instilled this attitude of fear, maybe because she was a child in WW2 and grew up in a time when survival was not guaranteed.

Anyway, just a few thoughts, have had some time to review.