To Move or Not to Move?

[Pamela Young]

This is my second attempt to post this; I won't bother trying to attach my chart, so maybe that will help.

I'm trying to figure out if I should sell my house and move.  I've lived in my house for almost twenty years, and it was four years old when I bought it.  I'm the first and only owner; it was a model home, and consequently was quite lovely when I bought it, at least I thought so - beautifully landscaped, everything up to date (wiring, etc.).  I'm used to thinking of my house as being quite nice.

So it came as quite a shock to learn that my house is considered to be in dire need of updating; when I had realtors and contractors in to get an idea of anything I should do before putting it on the market, I was told it 'screams 90s'!  Supposedly, I need all new flooring (hardwood and/or new tile), new kitchen appliances, a new countertop, a backsplash, new sinks and faucets, the whole place needs to be repainted, etc., etc., etc.  And this doesn't even take into account the things I've already had done, e.g., getting the cracks in the foundation fixed, getting a new water heater, etc.  Everything that supposedly 'needs' to be done is strictly cosmetic.

If I do everything they say needs to be done, it will cost a LOT of money.  If I actually do all that, my house may end up being so beautiful that I'll decide to stay, especially after putting such an investment into it.  If I really do want to move, maybe I should just do the bare minimum to make my house look more up to date, as described by one of the realtors: get the kitchen cabinets professionally repainted, change the knobs, take down the wallpaper border, put in a new more neutrally coloured countertop, take up the carpet in the living room and put in an engineered hardwood floor ...  This would cost considerably less. 

One contractor told me he doesn't see why I'd want to move anyway.  He said my house is basically beautiful, just in need of a little updating (a little?!)  And he doesn't see why I'm worrying that I should move to a one-level home (mine's two-storey), that I am years away from having to worry about stairs because of mobility issues.  Well, that's true, but I just thought that if I were to sell I might as well take that into consideration for the future, after seeing what my parents went through.

I'm considering selling because, as some of you may remember, I'm apparently being made the target of harassment by some person or persons unknown, whose hobby seems to be making my life difficult (I'll skip the details this time, having gone into them before).  Also, coyotes keep killing my cats, and I can't take it any more; my house is on the outskirts of the city, very near the countryside, and there's a big wild unfenced ravine right behind my house where coyotes hang out.  So I'm thinking I should sell and either rent, or maybe downsize to a bungalow or a main level condo, if I could find one that allows cats out onto the grass (almost none of them do).  Maybe I should even move to another city, and/or province.

The thing is, it's hard to find bungalows that you'd be willing to move into and live in, that are affordable; they get snapped up before you can blink.  Anything I've been seriously interested in over the last few months has sold in no time flat, with multiple offers, and the winning bids always end up being cash offers with at least twenty or thirty thousand dollars over asking.  I can't compete with people who can do that.  So I don't know what my chances are of getting a decent bungalow, not in this town.  Who said the real estate market was going bust?!

Anyway - to move or not to move?  That is the question.  I was going to post my chart, with transits, progressions and solar arcs, but of course, I can't.  First I couldn't attach my chart, and then I couldn't post at all. 

In the hope that someone would be willing to take a look at this and give me their opinion, here is my birth data: February 6, 1952, @ 2:26 PM (14:26) EST, Guelph, Ontario, Canada.   Any and all opinions would be very gratefully received.

[James Williams]

Pam, perhaps someone skilled in horary will see this and reply.  From a Jyotisha point of view, you have upcoming dasha sub-sub-period changes in February, March, and May during the first half of next year, which will likely shed more light on things....

[Halina]

Hi Pam,   I'm out of town so don't have access to my astrology programs/charts however with the computer I have here I can post your natal, transits and progressed charts from Astrodienst since you're having trouble doing so.   I don't see Trans or Solar Arc Uranus activating any angles in your chart
which suggests you won't be moving.

[Halina]

      Here is your Horary chart based on Dec 11, 2018, 8:05am, Guelph, Canada when you first posted your question.    I will also add the chart to the Horary section of Tyl.    Maybe someone skilled in horary can answer your question.

[Pamela Young]

Pam, perhaps someone skilled in horary will see this and reply.  From a Jyotisha point of view, you have upcoming dasha sub-sub-period changes in February, March, and May during the first half of next year, which will likely shed more light on things....

Hi James,

Thank you so much for your interest, and for taking a look at my chart.  Any idea what kind of light it will shed on things?  Just wondering ...

[Pamela Young]

Hi Pam,   I'm out of town so don't have access to my astrology programs/charts however with the computer I have here I can post your natal, transits and progressed charts from Astrodienst since you're having trouble doing so.   I don't see Trans or Solar Arc Uranus activating any angles in your chart
which suggests you won't be moving.

Thank you very much, Halina.  This is what I had in mind, your saying that you didn't see any angles being activated in my chart.  Well, I'm not experienced at using solar arcs but I did notice, if I'm reading this right, that Solar Arc Ascendant seems to be conjunct my natal IC, i.e., the cusp of the 4th house (home), and Solar Arc Uranus (major change, disruption) is only a degree or so away from it.  So I wondered ... 

Also, secondary progressed Ascendant is conjunct my natal South Node in Virgo in the 3rd house, which gave me pause.  In my experience, South Node contacts are never good.  On the other hand, Virgo (which is also on the cusp of the natal 4th house) is ruled by Mercury, and Solar Arc Mercury is conjunct natal Jupiter, thus setting off my whole grand cross including the Ascendant/Descendant axis.  Jupiter is sometimes good, sometimes not so much.  So I'm confused ... (maybe transiting Neptune approaching my natal MC, thus opposing the IC?)

I was just remembering years ago, when I didn't know much astrology yet, an astrologer told me that I was definitely going to be moving soon.  I thought, Well, she's wrong about that, because at the time I was living in a condo which was the first home I owned, and I loved it, and had no intention of going anywhere.  Yet a few months later I did indeed put it up for sale, very reluctantly, because the condo fee was raised again, for no real reason; it became clear that the fee was just going to keep going up, basically every year, which meant that in another year or two I would not be able to afford to stay there.  I was afraid if I let it go to that point, the fee might be so high that I wouldn't be able to find anyone to take it off my hands, and then it would end up going to power of sale.  Well, I didn't want that.  So I sold it, and bought the house where I have lived ever since.

I can't remember what transits or progressions that astrologer saw that caused her to say I would be moving.  But I just wondered if anyone else would see anything similar, since my brain is kind of on scramble lately; way too much going on here for me to take in.  I felt I needed the objective opinion of a disinterested party.  So thank you again, Halina, and thank you for the horary chart also.

If anyone else would care to chime in, that would be great.

[amymaddalozzo]

Solar arc uranus hitting the angles can mean different things--i had this earlier in  the year  and I Had my car accident.  Your horary  does not look good to me--you have uranus  in the 4th  house square the moon and opposed venus.  I personally think you should not--but what do I know???   
I feel like I should consult someone because I have some interesting progressions with my natal 4th house  ruler, mars, in my western chart in 2020.  For example, what does it mean when you have what I call,  mutual progressions?  In  other words, in 2020, progressed mercury will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and progressed mars, will square natal mercury, which rules my 9th and 7th houses.  Around the same, progressed sun will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and square natal venus in the 8th house.  I don't know, but this sounds like a move  to me especially with  transiting uranus in taurus in the mix.  I also will be in jupiter dasa, which is in the 4th house in vedic chart.   I also need some advice   AMY

[Daleth]

Hi Pamela,

I looked at your horary chart in Halina's thread. To save you the trouble of going over there, I'll copy most of that post here:

If this question was "Should I move," then the significators for Pamela are ascendant-ruler Jupiter, potentially also the Sun (since it's conjunct the ascendant), the first-house planets (Saturn and Pluto in Cap), and also the Moon. The significators for her home/a possible move are IC ruler Mars and that 4th house Uranus. That's a lot of significators even if we omit the Sun on the basis that it's actually in the 12th. Thus a complex and fraught question.

But here are the aspects between significators:

- Jupiter at 7 Sag approaching trine to Uranus at 28 Aries (although Uranus goes back into Taurus before that trine perfects -- but then again, Jupiter goes into Capricorn after that and eventually, if you check your 2019 ephemeris, you'll see that the trine is perfected at 2'56" Taurus and Capricorn; I'd love to hear a horary specialist's take on that). Normally a trine between significators means the answer to the question is yes. I don't know if this one counts, though, due to the change in signs.

- Sun approaching trine to Uranus. Again, normally a trine between significators means yes.

- Moon approaching sextile to Uranus. Normally a sextile between significators means yes.

- No squares or oppositions to Uranus (Uranus goes back into Taurus before the Capricorn Saturn or Pluto get anywhere near a square to its current late degree of Aries -- there's no aspect at all between those significators), so there's an absence of "no" answers relating to Uranus.

- Mars at 16 Pisces applies to a sextile with Pluto at 19 Capricorn. Again, normally a sextile between significators means yes.

- There are no other applying aspects between Mars and any other significators: the Sun at 19 Sag is past the square, Jupiter at 7 Sag will not reach 16 Sag before Mars changes sign (same goes for Saturn at 9 Cap), and there's no aspect with the Moon. So with Mars too, there are no aspects that answer "no" to the question.

So the yesses certainly seem to outweigh the no's.

Also, I'm intrigued by the just-past-exact quincunx between Gemini and Uranus. Pamela mentioned harassment being a reason she's considering moving. If she knows who the harasser is, i.e. if it's an "open enemy," then they're indicated by the 7th house, which is empty but ruled by Mercury. Quincunxes in horary normally suggest that something needs to change; this quincunx is in the past. That seems to reflect the fact that an enemy's actions have made Pamela think something needs to change (quincunx), drastically (Uranus), with respect to her residence (4th house). Of course, if she doesn't know the harasser then this may not be relevant. That possibility is suggested by the presence of two significators in the 12th house of secret enemies.

[pdw]

Hi Pamela, I don't know the answer but here are a few ideas for the swirl…

First, I sympathize with your housing dilemma which sounds like many I’ve heard about and my own, in a home I’ve enjoyed that is now dated and a bit worn. Yep, buyers want fresh, already updated and are willing to pay for it. If you’re selling something other than that you better price accordingly (low) and also be willing to wait for the ‘right’ buyer. So far my response is to avoid the dilemma and do nothing; not a very proactive solution, I admit (which may reflect T Neptune trine my MC ).

In your case, I think transiting Neptune slowly approaching your Pisces MC (April 2018-January 2020) may suggest a transitioning process rather than a period of definitive decision-making, regarding the direction you want to go in. Do nothing or ‘wait and see’ might be alternatives in the questioning midst of Neptune uncertainty (bewilderment or anxiety), yet it sounds like you feel you must make a final decision and act now…Could this restlessness and urgent (disruptive?) focus on a change in home matters be related to transiting Uranus sextiling your 12th House natal Moon (June 2018-March 2019)? Though retrograding now, perhaps the March 2019 period, with the third T Uranus-N Moon contact, will reflect more personal insight and confidence about your future, potentially sparked by new experience, information, a relationship or contact (with T Uranus at Aries AP and the midpoint of your N Moon-Node; influencing your Moon-ruled Cancer ASC).     

In the meantime I just wonder if the Neptune transit suggests being less focused on either-or and more open to other possibilities. For example, perhaps by allowing and freeing yourself to make small practical changes (Virgo 4th House) without knowing what your final housing decision will be (Pisces MC)...

And come to think of it, T Neptune is stirring (sextile) your 7th House natal Capricorn Venus, now under transiting Saturn pressure (a conjunction) suggesting a compromise (7th House), perhaps, that still involves constructive action, working with others, and structural ‘beautifying’... Hmm, maybe you could select improvement(s) you are willing to pay for and endure right now, and do it. Your home will be improved for you or any future buyer – and in the process you might learn more about what you ultimately want and need.

Wishing you the best with this one & please keep us posted! 

[Pamela Young]

Solar arc uranus hitting the angles can mean different things--i had this earlier in  the year  and I Had my car accident.  Your horary  does not look good to me--you have uranus  in the 4th  house square the moon and opposed venus.  I personally think you should not--but what do I know???   
I feel like I should consult someone because I have some interesting progressions with my natal 4th house  ruler, mars, in my western chart in 2020.  For example, what does it mean when you have what I call,  mutual progressions?  In  other words, in 2020, progressed mercury will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and progressed mars, will square natal mercury, which rules my 9th and 7th houses.  Around the same, progressed sun will conjunct natal mars, ruler of the 4th house, and square natal venus in the 8th house.  I don't know, but this sounds like a move  to me especially with  transiting uranus in taurus in the mix.  I also will be in jupiter dasa, which is in the 4th house in vedic chart.   I also need some advice   AMY

Amy, thank you very much for taking a look at my chart and giving me your thoughts on the situation.  Yes, interpreting movements of Uranus can be tricky.  I personally would tend to focus on the transits, progressions and solar arcs to my natal chart, rather than looking at the horary, because I am not a big believer in the trustworthiness of horary; the rules are too much up in the air.  Antonio's example of which time is the right one to use for the horary chart is a perfect example.

With regard to your own situation, I don't think I can add to what Antonio said about it in the horary thread, not being familiar with your chart.   

[Pamela Young]

Hi Pamela,

I looked at your horary chart in Halina's thread. To save you the trouble of going over there, I'll copy most of that post here:

If this question was "Should I move," then the significators for Pamela are ascendant-ruler Jupiter, potentially also the Sun (since it's conjunct the ascendant), the first-house planets (Saturn and Pluto in Cap), and also the Moon. The significators for her home/a possible move are IC ruler Mars and that 4th house Uranus. That's a lot of significators even if we omit the Sun on the basis that it's actually in the 12th. Thus a complex and fraught question.

But here are the aspects between significators:

- Jupiter at 7 Sag approaching trine to Uranus at 28 Aries (although Uranus goes back into Taurus before that trine perfects -- but then again, Jupiter goes into Capricorn after that and eventually, if you check your 2019 ephemeris, you'll see that the trine is perfected at 2'56" Taurus and Capricorn; I'd love to hear a horary specialist's take on that). Normally a trine between significators means the answer to the question is yes. I don't know if this one counts, though, due to the change in signs.

- Sun approaching trine to Uranus. Again, normally a trine between significators means yes.

- Moon approaching sextile to Uranus. Normally a sextile between significators means yes.

- No squares or oppositions to Uranus (Uranus goes back into Taurus before the Capricorn Saturn or Pluto get anywhere near a square to its current late degree of Aries -- there's no aspect at all between those significators), so there's an absence of "no" answers relating to Uranus.

- Mars at 16 Pisces applies to a sextile with Pluto at 19 Capricorn. Again, normally a sextile between significators means yes.

- There are no other applying aspects between Mars and any other significators: the Sun at 19 Sag is past the square, Jupiter at 7 Sag will not reach 16 Sag before Mars changes sign (same goes for Saturn at 9 Cap), and there's no aspect with the Moon. So with Mars too, there are no aspects that answer "no" to the question.

So the yesses certainly seem to outweigh the no's.

Also, I'm intrigued by the just-past-exact quincunx between Gemini and Uranus. Pamela mentioned harassment being a reason she's considering moving. If she knows who the harasser is, i.e. if it's an "open enemy," then they're indicated by the 7th house, which is empty but ruled by Mercury. Quincunxes in horary normally suggest that something needs to change; this quincunx is in the past. That seems to reflect the fact that an enemy's actions have made Pamela think something needs to change (quincunx), drastically (Uranus), with respect to her residence (4th house). Of course, if she doesn't know the harasser then this may not be relevant. That possibility is suggested by the presence of two significators in the 12th house of secret enemies.

Daleth, I replied to you on the horary thread, but thank you again for giving such a detailed reply; greatly appreciated.  As I said on the other thread, those engaging in the harassment would be considered secret enemies rather than open ones, I think, as I do not know for sure who they are; I have my suspicions, but zero hard evidence and anyway, I could be wrong.

The question I asked in my original post was, 'To move or not to move?'  I didn't actually intend it to be a horary question; I guess I should have phrased it more along the lines of, 'In your astrological opinion, looking at the transits, progressions and solar arcs to my natal chart, do you think I should move?  Or, do you think I WILL move?'  Not asking you to answer this (unless you want to), just clarifying my original post; I was writing in kind of a rush; should have been more specific about what I was interested in. 

Anyway, again, thank you so much.

[Pamela Young]

Hi Pamela, I don't know the answer but here are a few ideas for the swirl…

First, I sympathize with your housing dilemma which sounds like many I’ve heard about and my own, in a home I’ve enjoyed that is now dated and a bit worn. Yep, buyers want fresh, already updated and are willing to pay for it. If you’re selling something other than that you better price accordingly (low) and also be willing to wait for the ‘right’ buyer. So far my response is to avoid the dilemma and do nothing; not a very proactive solution, I admit (which may reflect T Neptune trine my MC ).

In your case, I think transiting Neptune slowly approaching your Pisces MC (April 2018-January 2020) may suggest a transitioning process rather than a period of definitive decision-making, regarding the direction you want to go in. Do nothing or ‘wait and see’ might be alternatives in the questioning midst of Neptune uncertainty (bewilderment or anxiety), yet it sounds like you feel you must make a final decision and act now…Could this restlessness and urgent (disruptive?) focus on a change in home matters be related to transiting Uranus sextiling your 12th House natal Moon (June 2018-March 2019)? Though retrograding now, perhaps the March 2019 period, with the third T Uranus-N Moon contact, will reflect more personal insight and confidence about your future, potentially sparked by new experience, information, a relationship or contact (with T Uranus at Aries AP and the midpoint of your N Moon-Node; influencing your Moon-ruled Cancer ASC).     

In the meantime I just wonder if the Neptune transit suggests being less focused on either-or and more open to other possibilities. For example, perhaps by allowing and freeing yourself to make small practical changes (Virgo 4th House) without knowing what your final housing decision will be (Pisces MC)...

And come to think of it, T Neptune is stirring (sextile) your 7th House natal Capricorn Venus, now under transiting Saturn pressure (a conjunction) suggesting a compromise (7th House), perhaps, that still involves constructive action, working with others, and structural ‘beautifying’... Hmm, maybe you could select improvement(s) you are willing to pay for and endure right now, and do it. Your home will be improved for you or any future buyer – and in the process you might learn more about what you ultimately want and need.

Wishing you the best with this one & please keep us posted!

Hi pdw,

Thanks very much for your thoughts.  I had to laugh when you said that your response to the dilemma has been to avoid it and do nothing; that's exactly what I've been doing the last few years!  I feel the time has come to do SOMETHING.  You make good points about the possible meanings of transiting Neptune and Uranus. 

Part of the reason I've begun getting serious about taking some real action with regard to improving my house, is that back a few months ago I came across a house I really liked, that I thought had my name on it.  I would have liked to buy it but I can't buy anything unless I sell mine first, and my house was not only not up for sale at the time but wasn't ready (in my opinion) to be put up for sale.  So I lost that house.  And I realized that there's no point in looking at any more, unless my own house is at least ready to put up for sale on a moment's notice, so I could make an offer conditional on the sale of my house, in the expectation that it would sell quickly. 

Another factor prompting me to sell my house and move somewhere, maybe far away, is that I've been looking ahead a few years, and don't like what I see coming up for me in 2022, which is not that far off.  My solar return for that year looks downright dangerous, and it scared me.  Well, you can't outrun fate, but I'm really wondering if my chances for surviving those transits would improve if I were to move away from here, as far as I can get.

I'm going to try to add the chart for the solar return; hope springs eternal ...

[Pamela Young]

So apparently I can attach a chart if I export it as a PDF document, but I can't save it any other way;  it keeps saving as a web archive, instead of as a GIF or anything else acceptable.  Very weird.

[Halina]

Hi Pam,  I save my chart to Pictures first, then go to Tyl, print a few extra replies, then attach the chart from Tyl then to the Pictures file where I find the saved chart.   Works all the time.
     

[Pamela Young]

Hi Pam,  I save my chart to Pictures first, then go to Tyl, print a few extra replies, then attach the chart from Tyl then to the Pictures file where I find the saved chart.   Works all the time.
     

Halina, I save to Pictures too, but the problem is that when I then try to attach the saved item, it always says (lately) that it's been saved as a Web Archive, which is not an acceptable format.  Only certain formats are acceptable, GIFs and I forget what else.  The thing is, the charts I save are always in an acceptable format when I save them ... yet somehow when I go to select one for attachment, the format has supposedly been changed.  Anyway, nothing will attach.  I give up.  Exporting as a PDF seems to be working, knock on wood.