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Offline Robynne

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Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« on: September 20, 2019, 10:50:19 PM »
Hello everyone,

Have been mulling over this one for a while, after I discovered asteroid 'Photographica' exactly conjunct my Ascendant. My fathers profession or day job was as a Photo lithographer or Photo engraver, (although he was a muso on nights and weekends).

I also have Mercury in the 12th house conjunct Ascendant, previous to my birth my mother had held two different jobs as a Hospital Receptionist.

The symbology seems to fit, and this makes me wonder if the parental professions are shown in planets or asteroids based around the Ascendant in your own chart?  Or by aspect?

Would love to hear others thoughts on this and the connections you find in your own charts..
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Offline Stacy

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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2019, 07:48:37 AM »
Interesting topic, Robynne.

We know h.5 shows our hobbies and whichever house the ruler lands in and aspects is significant and points to our hobbies --but that's not parents' careers.

Not able to fathom much about my parents careers based on your theory but again my own 5th house ruler is Neptune (photography--quite accurate) in h. 12/Scorpio. Also indicates love of solitude.  Sorry, didn't mean to get off topic too much.

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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2019, 08:03:10 AM »
Hi Robyne,  one's career is shown by the 10th House and its dispositors/rulers in a chain formation.
In your chart, father's career is shown by the 10th House from your own 10th which is the 7th House which you then form dispositors from.
For your mother's career take your 4th H which  is mother then add 10 more houses which is your Asc or mother's career, form a chain.
     Alternately use your father's chart, pick the 10th House and form a chain of dispositors from the 10th, simillarly using mother's chart take her 10th house of career and form a chain of dispositors......this is known as Tyl's Midheaven Extension Process or MHEP.

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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2019, 11:59:37 PM »
Thanks Stacy and Halina,

I'll think over that. Am a bit familiar now with Noel's MEP formula Halina, but the Ascendant still draws me as the view of parents at birth.

Another example; My daughters Asc is ruled by Venus cj Mars in Virgo in the 4th. I worked as a hairstylist until 3 weeks before she was delivered. After she was born I always worked from home, so probably from her view she relates to her mother having scissors in hand styling hair at home. So in this case mother's work and home go together.

But, her Venus-Mars cj, conjuncts my 8th house Pluto which is the MC ruler.

Would love to see more of others examples.

Not sure if that is sound reasoning to others though?
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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2019, 07:07:15 AM »
       Your parents at birth are represented by the 4th and 10th Houses.....no idea how you are getting parents as represented by your Ascendant....geez!

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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2019, 12:57:55 AM »
Fair enough Halina, it made perfect sense to me at the time, but may be Southern Hemisphere type of reasoning.  :)

Tenth house Neptune aspects almost everything in my chart, including the Ascendant, so is possibly not a reliable indicator.
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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2019, 08:13:57 AM »
Fair enough Halina, it made perfect sense to me at the time, but may be Southern Hemisphere type of reasoning.  :)

Tenth house Neptune aspects almost everything in my chart, including the Ascendant, so is possibly not a reliable indicator.

Tenth house Neptune, dude. That there is your photographer father. The asteroid has nothing to do with it. I was actually going to post to ask you where Neptune was and if it connected to your 10th, but then I saw your post!

"Neptune was discovered in 1846 and the major developments of this era, such as photography and film, aptly echo the symbolism of this outer planet." https://www.skyscript.co.uk/neptune1.html

"Neptune rules all visual communication, whether with symbols or gestures, such as photography, film, ballet and other dance arts, music, painting and poetry." https://www.astrologyzone.com/learn-astrology/the-planets/neptune/#ixzz60pwwRZ9F

Personally, in a natal chart, I would not backsolve from the 10th to find a parents' career, because your parents' careers are so much a part of who they are, the place they occupy in your community (i.e., the 10th), and the conditions of your home life (4th -- I mean the child of a college professor typically grows up in a different environment than the child of a carpenter, etc.). If you asked a horary question along the lines of "Will my dad succeed in his new career," then I would backsolve, because that's how it's done in horary. But in a natal chart the 10th and 4th represent your parents, period -- including their careers.

By way of example, Prince Charles' mom is THE ACTUAL QUEEN... and he has Moon in the 10th (exactly conjunct her Sun BTW), with the 10th ruler, Mars, conjunct Jupiter in Jupiter's own sign, in the 5th house. Jupiter and the 5th both rule royalty (as does the Sun but it's not the only indicator). That seems much more apt than the "10th of the 10th" backsolving approach: Charles' 7th is empty with Aquarius on the cusp, and the rulers of Aquarius are, respectively, Uranus at 29 Gemini in the 11th and Saturn at 5 Virgo in the 2nd. Neither of those ruling planets, nor Aquarius itself, sound much like "Queen of England" as a career (or "Prince Consort of England," if you think the 10th represents his dad).

Chelsea Clinton's dad was the president and her mom ran for president -- she's got MC in Leo (same sign as her dad's Sun) and a Jupiter-Mars conjunction in the 10th (similar to Prince Charles' Jupiter-Mars conjunction: his mom is the Queen, Chelsea's dad was President and her mom was almost president). Chelsea's Sun (her MC ruler) is in the 4th (in the same sign as her mom's Moon BTW), which makes some sense given that both her parents have had very visible careers at the top of their professions (Sun).

That said, I don't know that our parents' professions are necessarily shown in our charts. They probably only show when they impact us in some significant way. Did it have any impact on little Barack Obama, growing up in Hawaii, that on the other side of the world growing up in Kenya his dad was a government economist? It's hard to see why the profession his deadbeat dad practiced 10,000 miles away would have an impact on him: economist, carpenter, doctor, whatever, if he wasn't interacting with Obama or sending money, what impact would it have? Obama has an empty 10th house which may correlate to the absent father. His mom's profession as anthropologist, on the other hand, did impact him because it's why he moved all over the world as a kid and had an extended family of all different colors, religions and nationalities. Obama has Gemini Moon in the 4th trine Aquarius Jupiter in the 12th, and the ruler of the 4th cusp (Venus) is tightly quincunx Jupiter.

Prince Charles: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales
Chelsea Clinton: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Clinton,_Chelsea
President Obama: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Obama,_Barack
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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2019, 09:06:26 AM »
Adding to Daleth's post:

My dad (was alcoholic) is referenced by my Sun-Sat h. 3 (early life) square Neptune h. 12 although that aspect indicates other things as all aspects do.

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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2019, 04:29:35 PM »
Thanks for all the effort you put in your post Daleth, I can see your reasoning there.

Tenth house Neptune could just as easily describe that my Dad spent a large amount of time in the ocean, either in his various boats, diving, or as a member of a local surf club. But that was not his paid profession, they were as a photo litho and musician.

But photo lithography deals with imagery, and to be more correct, printing plates. Neptune square Mercury cj Saturn, basically, making templates or impressions.

Its just that Neptune encompasses a very wide area and can be a bit generic, so I thought the symbology could be fine tuned with the asteroid Photographica on the Ascendant.


Stacy; Yes, I can see your reasoning there with alcoholism, I have Saturn square Neptune as well, but not with the Sun conjunct. My Dad did drink, but that's not how I would identify him, myself.

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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2019, 07:29:20 AM »
Hi Robynne,  as you can see by your chart below, your father has a heavy emphasis on photography and the oceans.    Oceanographers are ruled by Neptune, Pisces, Moon and Cancer(Rex Bills).
      Photographers, photography ruled by Neptune, Pisces, Uranus, Aquarius, (Mercury, Virgo, Moon & Venus).  Rex Bills.
Forgot to add, Saturn, the father, joins Neptune in the 10th ruling photography and oceanography.
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Re: Your Ascendant and Parental Professions
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2019, 01:28:21 AM »
Thanks for your work there Halina,


Viewing that chart helps me see the beauty in the design, it speaks to me.

It also confirms that I am exactly where I am meant to be.

 ;D

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