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Offline James Williams

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2021, 09:30:30 AM »
I didn't say a word about Noel's Venus.

And I didn't get 88 percent for Saturn.

Jesus Halina, you're so confused.

Learn to read Conrad's table.

Why are you so contentious?
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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2021, 12:23:26 PM »
        Not contentious....it's discussion for anything not understood....which means asking questions, analyzing replies, looking for proofs....nothing like
discussion to clarify things that are not clear.  Thanx for your perspectives and further discussions.  Next example.

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2021, 07:19:49 AM »
James   I had a reading with David Hawthorne a number of years ago and it was very interesting.  He said that I had a pretty good chart and that I am really not going to have bad transits until about the age of 77, which I found interesting  amy

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2021, 08:22:27 AM »
In 2027, transiting Saturn (sidereal zodiac, lahiri ayanamsha) will enter its debilitation sign, Aries, on June 2.

So Amy, at that time, the ruler of your Jyotisha natal chart 4th House, Saturn, will enter your 6th House of health.  So 4th House health significators, such as heart, chest, lungs, breasts, etc. will come more to the forefront...and it doesn't retrograde back into Pisces until October 19 of that year...

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2021, 08:39:24 AM »
James, got to thinking… Noel’s ‘system’ starts with the Sun-Moon blend and incorporates the planets into that framework: How does a planet facilitate the Sun shining (or not)?  How does it help satisfy the Moon’s needs (or not)?

Noel had a Capricorn Sun-Leo Moon blend which quickly leads to the same conclusion as the system you’re using: His Sun-ruling Saturn is very strong, ruling and sextile to his Sun and professionally emphasized in the prominent 10th House. We can anticipate that embodying and utilizing Saturn methods (the descriptors on your list) may be a natural strength and importantly linked to a work-oriented Capricorn Sun's ability to shine successfully, i.e., by earning public recognition and respect with achievement. And, in this blend, a successful Capricorn Sun is key to satisfying the needs of the Leo Moon that it rules.   

Like Noel (was), Dolly Parton is hard-working, successful, committed to a long career, and also has a Capricorn Sun-Leo Moon blend. Perhaps at the heart of this blend is a love of work and love of success. James, I’m curious what her two strongest planets would be in the system you are using - ?


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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2021, 09:15:13 AM »
pdw, will look at her chart tomorrow morning...
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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2021, 05:40:21 AM »
OK taking a look at Dolly's chart...actually every planet of hers is weak according to System's Approach...

The Sun is badly placed in her 6th House; the Moon is well-placed in the 1st but has a weak dispositor; Mercury is well-placed in the 5th House but has a weak dispositor and is slightly combust; Venus is badly placed in the 6th House, is 70 percent combust, and in infant state; Mars is well-placed in the 11th but is in old age; Jupiter is well-placed in the 3rd but is in infant state and has a weak dispositor; Saturn is well-placed in the 11th but is in old age; Rahu and Ketu are well-placed but both are debilitated in their navamsha chart.

Thus, Mercury and the Moon appear to be her best planets.  Both are well-placed and unafflicted in her navamsha D9 chart, while Mercury is well-placed and aspected by benefic Jupiter in her dashamsha D10 chart.

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2021, 09:07:15 AM »
Interesting, James, thanks. I may comment later but first must make a correction: Dolly Parton does not have a Leo Moon. Her Moon is at O Virgo 58 (see AA rated chart at astro.com).

I got her name out of the examples for the Capricorn Sun-Leo Moon blend in S&C. I gather, from the source notes at astro.com, that it was believed she was born at 3:00 AM (with a 21 Leo 14 Moon) at the time S&C was published. Frank Clifford is credited with providing a copy of her birth record with an 8:25 PM birth time.
 

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2021, 09:25:48 AM »
pdw, please remember that I am looking at her Jyotisha chart for the Systems' Approach.  This uses the sidereal zodiac and lahiri ayanamsha.  Thus, Dolly Parton has a Leo Moon in her Jyotisha birth chart.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Parton,_Dolly

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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2021, 10:37:01 AM »
Got it, James. Thanks for making it clear that she does have a Leo Moon in her Jyotisha birth chart.

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2021, 11:03:39 AM »
Now, if David Hawthorne or VK Choudhry had given Noel a Systems' Approach reading, it would likely have gone something like this...

"Noel, your functional benefic planets include the Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, and Saturn.  Your functional malefic planets are the Nodes, Rahu (AKA North Node) and Ketu (AKA South Node).

Your Sun here is well-placed in the 7th House, but is weakened because its dispositor is weak. 

Your Moon is well-placed in the 3rd House in a Sun-like sign, but is slightly in infant state, and it has a weakened dispositor.  However, it is close to the MEP, or Most Effective Point, thereby benefitting the significations of that 3rd House, as well as the significations of your 9th House. 

Your Mars is well-placed in the 5th House, but it too is slightly in infant state, and has a weakened dispositor.  But it also is close to the Most Effective Point, and thus it benefits the significations of your 5th, 8th, 11th, and 12th Houses. 

Your Mercury is ill-placed in the 8th House, but does receive a nice aspect from functional benefic Mars.  And it too is close to the Most Effective Point, thereby benefitting the significations of the 8th and 2nd Houses. 

Jupiter is well-placed in the 7th House, but is combust. 

Venus is well-placed in the 9th House, and aspected by functional benefic Moon, but it is in infant state and exactly aspected by functional malefic Ketu.

Saturn is well-placed in your 7th House, and is your strongest planet. 

Rahu is well-placed in your 7th House, and Ketu in your 1st House, as they are not aspecting your Most Effective Point.

Now, let's look at each of these planets, or grahas, in much more detail, as well as the significations of the houses they rule, and their aspects, as well as significant transits and dasha periods."

They would recommend that Noel strengthen his functional benefic planets, while simultaneously propitiating both Rahu and Ketu.

You can watch some of David Hawthorne's videos on YouTube to see how he does it, which is not quite as detailed as this, but nevertheless is very effective and informative.



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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2021, 06:51:39 AM »
Here's a bit more analysis...

"Noel, your functional benefic Sun rules the 3rd House of ventures and initiatives and is well-placed and unafflicted in the 7th House.  Thus, successful consulting leadership partnerships with others can be built via initiating entrepreneurship ventures.

Your functional benefic Moon rules the 2nd house of status, speech, wealth, and family life and is well-placed in the Sun-like 3rd House, with the benefic influence of Venus, and is unafflicted, but is slightly weak due to its weak dispositor.  This slight weakness may create some tense moments at times in family life via carelessly communicated speech--especially during the subperiods of the Moon--but otherwise, status, speech, wealth, and family life benefit.

Your functional benefic Mars rules the 11th House of gains, wealth, friends, and achievements, and is well-placed in the 5th House, thereby blessing with professional knowledge and qualification.  However, it is slightly weak due to its weak dispositor, so it may at times create tension and issues regarding speculative gains from investments, and emotional unhappiness--especially during the subperiods of Mars--but otherwise, gains from income, friends, and achievements will likely proliferate.

Your functional benefic Mercury rules the 4th House of mother, marital happiness, mental peace, and comforts, and is unafflicted, but it is ill-placed in the 8th House.  This at times will augur obstructions and setbacks to 4th House significations, especially during the subperiods of Mercury.  But communication of astrology is also seen here since the 8th House rules astrology, and Mercury rules communication.  And its functional benefic aspect onto the 2nd House helps to promote wealth and status.

Your functional benefic Jupiter rules the 7th House of partnership(s), travel, and pleasures, and is well-placed in the 7th House, but is combust.  This will tend to bring tension into 7th House significations, especially during the subperiods of Jupiter.

Your functional benefic Venus, ruling the 5th House of emotional happiness, discrimination and discernment,  romance, and progeny, is well-placed in the 9th House of father, fortune, spiritual learning, and long journeys of short duration, but is weak due to its infant state, and afflicted by functional malefic Ketu (AKA South Node).  This tends to produce mixed effects to the 9th and 5th House significations, with a marked increase in tension especially during the subperiods of Venus.

Your functional benefic Saturn is well-placed in the aforementioned 9th House, and it rules the 9th House, and is unafflicted.  It is a strong planet, and therefore it benefits 9th House significations, especially during its subperiods.

Your functional malefic Rahu is well-placed in the aforementioned 7th House, but in its operating periods it may delay the fulfillment of desires.

Your functional malefic Ketu is well-placed in the 1st House of personality, appearance, vitality, and longevity, and is away from the Most Effective Point, thereby creating opportunity for spiritual learning and advancement.  But Ketu does make a close aspect to Mars and Venus, thereby creating significant tension in regards to their planetary and mooltrikona house significations, especially during the operation of their subperiods.

So whenever Rahu and Ketu form close conjunction aspects with weak natal positions, or form close conjunctions with weak transit positions, or weak transit planets fall under the influence of natal Rahu and Ketu, issues with regard to the significations ruled by these planets may be expected to be triggered."

This is just one way the Systems' Approach can be utilized in giving an astrological analysis...

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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2021, 07:37:22 AM »
Here's another example...DO YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS?!

Ascendant is 24 degrees Pisces...so the MEP or Most Effective Point of each house is 24 degrees.

Functional benefic or favorable grahas (planets) are the Moon, Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter.

Functional malefic or unfavorable grahas are Sun, Venus, Saturn, Rahu (AKA North Node), and Ketu (AKA South Node).

Functional malefic Sun is well-placed and unafflicted at 23 degrees in the 7th House of partnership(s), vitality, potency, fertility, passion, outgoing nature, adultery, moral conduct, pleasures, comforts and life in foreign lands, success in love affairs, conjugal life, home abroad, travel, and trade or business.  It rules the 6th House of disputes, diseases and injuries, debts, enemies, opponents, competitors, thieves, fears, doubts, worries, vices, weaknesses, misunderstandings, and sound financial position.  So disputes and fears are likely to affect his partnership(s), since the Sun is weak by ruling the 6th House and by a weak dispositor.

Functional benefic Moon is well-placed and unafflicted at 10 degrees in the 11th House of income, prosperity, gains, profit, friends, elder brother or sister, hopes and aspirations and their fulfillment.  It rules the 5th House of intelligence, discernment and discrimination, intellectual and mental talents, memory, creative intelligence, emotional happiness, love, romance, speculative gains from investments, organizational ability, success, progeny, knowledge, and wisdom.  So much income can be generated via creative intelligence.

Functional benefic Mars is well-placed and unafflicted at 9 degrees in the aforementioned 7th House.  It rules the 2nd House of wealth, family, livelihood, male child, professional position, spouse, second marriage, continuance of married life, possession of precious stones and metals, money in cash, earning capacity, financial status, fortune, prosperity, movable properties, and speech.  So much wealth can be generated via speech and family life.  However, it is weak from having a weak dispositor, so continuance of family life may be affected through damaging speech.

Functional benefic Mercury is ill-placed but unafflicted at 10 degrees in the 8th House of longevity, research, interest in mystical sciences, inner and outer transformations, past and future events, inheritance, death, will and testament, insurances, easy gains, marital-tie, vulnerability, fear, accidents, obstructions, litigation, bankruptcy, theft, losses, misfortunes, disgrace, and disappointments.  It rules the 7th House of partnership(s) and life in foreign lands, so he may experience obstructions, delays and setbacks in regards to living abroad, continuance of his marital-tie, litigation, and longevity.

Functional benefic Jupiter is well-placed in the aforementioned 2nd House at 20 degrees, and rules the 10th House of profession, career, vocation, promotion, livelihood, power, fame, public esteem, status, position, honor, character, authority, living abroad, ambition, and happiness from male progeny.  Thus his profession could include speech which generates much wealth, honor, and fame.  However, Jupiter is exactly afflicted by his 12th House ruler, which is the ruler of loss, expenses, and expenditure.  So he is likely to experience much expenditure of energy, expenses, and loss in regards to various 2nd and 10th House significations.

Functional malefic Venus is his MMP, or Most Malefic Planet, since it rules his mooltrikona 8th House, and is ill-placed in the aforementioned 6th House at 10 degrees.  It is his most weak and afflicted graha, and thus disputes with women (Venus) and the continuance of his "marital" ties will be extremely difficult.

Functional malefic Saturn is well-placed in his aforementioned 2nd House, and receives an exact conjunct aspect with functional benefic Jupiter.  However, it rules his 12th House of expenses, losses, expenditures, end of life, exile, life in foreign lands, obstructions in life, separation from family, going astray, withdrawal into retreat, transcendence, enlightenment, seclusion, imprisonment, hospitalization, pleasures of bed, sound sleep and work behind the scenes.  Its dispositor's dispositor is weak, thus his wealth is subject to much expense, as well as losses in foreign lands, separation from family, going astray, and withdrawal into retreat and seclusion.

Functional malefic Rahu is well-placed in the aforementioned 7th House, and makes no afflicting aspects to other grahas.  Thus it aids in his materialistic wealth.

Functional malefic Ketu is well-placed in the 1st House of his innate nature and state of health, vitality, longevity, happiness, personality, appearance, prosperity, general disposition in life, reputation and status, and desires and their fulfillment.  It makes no afflictions to other grahas, but it is weakened by the exact aspect of functional malefic Sun to the MEP of the 1st House.  Thus, he may appear strange to some, and yet ingenious to others.

ANY IDEA AS TO WHO IS THIS FAMOUS PERSON?!




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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2021, 06:21:51 AM »
...add 23 degrees to his aforementioned Jyotisha degrees and you will get his Western degrees for his Western horoscope...is this enough of a clue to identify him?
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Re: Systems' Approach to Interpreting Jyotisha Horoscopes
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2021, 06:43:04 AM »
Thanx for the clues.....So the planets in Tropical are Sun 16Libra, Moon 3Aq Mercury 3Scorpio, Venus 3Virgo, Mars 2Libra, Jupiter 13Taurus, Saturn 13 Taurus.
Below is a Tropical chart of the mystery person......can you guess who it is now?
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