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Offline Halina

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2018, 06:46:49 AM »
You lost me there James.    Rule for Karakamsa Lagna....1. Check the highest planet in the rasi....this is Mercury.    2. Check its location in the Navamsha.....this is CANCER NOT GEMINI, James.     See both charts below, then please explain the rule, thanx.
       Point 2, if time is unknown, we do not know the real position by sign of rasi Moon.....so how can you definitely say that the Chandra(Moon) lagna is Capricorn....it might by Sagittarius or Aquarius.
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Offline James Williams

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2018, 08:55:19 AM »
Halina, the Karakamsha lagna is Gemini, as Mercury is in Gemini in D9, and it is the AK.

Similarly, the Moon is only in Capricorn on the day he was born (sidereal zodiac, lahiri ayanamsha) in his D1 birth chart.

You keep getting confused by your Western style chart system for Jyotisha charts, Halina.  Those kind of mistakes are not made using either the North Indian or South Indian style charts...if you look at his D9 with either JH or Jyotish Tools, you will see very easily that he has Mercury in Gemini in D9, no matter what time he was born that day.

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2018, 12:50:44 PM »
 Another strike from the last August Full Moon eclipse 15-25 Aquarius  hit his natal Uranus from 165 degrees adding to the list of malefic transits pounding the poor guy.
 Eclipses are not always instant in effect, I saw one take 14 months to fulfill a prediction.
 That's beyond the 13 Lunar cycles.
  Some of the tin foilers on You Tube are seeing interesting  things in common with Anthony Bourdain , Kate Spade and the Dutch princess who also opted out of the being alive program. Last year there were a bunch of alleged suicides that had Haiti and the Clinton foundation in common including the Barry and Honey deaths and Dr. Dean Lorange and many others. Sometimes the Tin Foilers get it right.


 Here is Joni Patry's Vedic astrological take on it.
 She rectified it to Sidereal Libra rising but perhaps a Tropical Libra Ascendant may work too in some ways?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUPbN2a2WZM


 Did he have other health issues?  He did not look well in recent  pictures.

 No one stays dead , may the good Lord give them all the mercy.

Offline Barbara Ybarra

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2018, 01:31:21 PM »
Hello Steven and all:

I watched some of Joni Patri's video, who is a Vedic astrologer, and she chose a possible birth time for him of 2 something pm which would put his Ascendant on Libra.  Then she gave all kinds of reasons why it made sense, but mostly because Neptune was there and he is into being filmed, a Neptune thing (which does make sense).  I myself chose a possible later time with a Scorpio ASC (which is maybe Libra in Vedic, but not at the degree I chose. 

The chart below was a wild assumption regarding the August eclipse degree of 28 Leo (or a square or opposition to it) being either on an angle or having the houses which are ruled by those three planets (Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter) receiving pertinent effects after the Eclipse (and with the transits of Mars afterwards).  Since Saturn on ASC, especially in Scorpio, seemed to match Mr. Bourdain's countenance and self-presentation, I'm hanging on to that one for awhile.  I've done no rectification or anything like that, but if you look, the 12th house is also ruled by Pluto which was the point of the eclipse last year.  The ruler of the 12th can certainly receive a hit if one's doctor has just told you that you probably have, say, cancer, and that you have about a year to live. 

The last show that was newly aired on the travel channel showed Bourdain extremely thin, more than ever, and with a drawn look to his face.  If he was terminal, it is possible that he told no one, and just toughed it out.  SA Jupiter was conjunct to Neptune also, the ruler of his 4th house of endings. 

Just a try.

-Barbara   
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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2018, 02:24:15 PM »
Jupiter to Neptune transits can also highlight or magnify a sense of meaninglessness, emptiness or nothingness.
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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2018, 06:23:41 AM »
Yes, Robynne, or just a longing to be drawn into the comforting one-ness of everlasting peace and harmony - that la la land where we are all welcome at the table.   

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2018, 06:13:26 PM »
On another forum there has been discussion of this case in two threads, the mundane and the Vedic.  Bourdain apparently knew his birth time, and had his chart done by a Vedic astrologer while he was in India; the consultation was filmed for his show No Reservations.  On one of the threads there is a link to the show, which I tried to put here but it didn't work.  The video was too blurry to be able to make out the birth time on the astrologer's laptop, but the Vedic chart (thus sidereal) shows that he has Cancer rising and his Moon is at 5ยบ20' Capricorn.  Someone on that forum more familiar with Vedic astrology than me figured out that this would mean he was born between 8:20 a.m. and 9:35 a.m., and that, tropically, he had Leo rising with either Aries or Taurus on the MC.  The thinking was that, with that Moon position, he was probably born at about 8:22 a.m.  Hopefully James Williams or someone else well versed in Vedic astrology could look into this more. 

The chart for 8:22 a.m. is certainly suggestive, given what happened.  His natal Neptune is exactly conjunct his IC, with the Moon closely squaring both from the 6th house.   On June 8 the transiting Mean North Node, which natally was in his 5th house of romance, children and creativity, was bang on his Ascendant, opposing his natal Chiron conjunct the Descendant (and thus the transiting South Node was of course conjunct the latter as well)  Transiting Mars, having conjoined his Moon some days previously, was now conjunct his Descendant and Chiron. 

Well, they do say that his girlfriend Asia Argento had been seeing someone else, had posted pictures of the two of them embracing and clearly having a very good time together.  She also posted a picture of herself wearing a T-shirt that said, 'F... everyone' and underneath that, 'You know who you are.'  Then her friend Rose McGowan said people shouldn't blame Asia for Anthony's death, that the two had had an open relationship.  Hmm ...maybe too open for Anthony, poor guy.

     https://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1528674879

     https://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1528459381
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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2018, 07:57:05 PM »
Thank you Pam.  It appears he was born at 8:35 AM, according to this screen shot...

http://betraymetwice.tumblr.com/post/174759722278

The key is Asc 18:14 Cancer.  This is the Vedic astrology Ascendant degree and minutes...18 degrees 14 minutes Cancer.  Which would equal 8:35 AM, according to my software.  I have different software than the screen shot, but it shouldn't make any significant difference.

So for now I'm going with 8:35 AM EDT...will take a closer look tomorrow, but it appears this is the screen shot that they utilized...

This would then equate to his Western horoscope Ascendant being 11 degrees Leo 29 minutes...

If anyone sees any other Asc degree different that 18:14 Cancer for his Vedic birth chart, please let me know...

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2018, 08:13:06 PM »
...and they're using Mean Nodes...
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2018, 03:23:12 AM »
Thus, if his Vedic astrology Ascendant is 18 Cancer 14, then he was born at 8:35 AM EDT, and his Western Ascendant would then be 11 Leo 29...
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2018, 03:29:06 AM »
...and if his Vedic astrology Moon is 5 Capricorn 20, then it could only be at 5 Capricorn 20 from around 8:33 AM to 8:36 AM...roughly around a 3 minute span before it goes to 5 Capricorn 21...

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2018, 03:50:15 AM »
From a Jyotish standpoint, it's pretty easy to see what went on here...

http://spokensanskrit.org/index.php?mode=3&script=hk&tran_input=jyotish&direct=au

Both transiting Jupiter and transiting Saturn were aspecting his natal Mars, natal Sun, and natal Venus.  No event of large significance ever happens in life without the double transit effect of Jupiter and Saturn.  This of course was no exception.

Natal Mars is in the nakshatra known as Shaatabhisha.  "Illnesses whose genesis occurs in Shatabhisha are very difficult to remedy, and may require 'one hundred physicians'...to cure" (from pages 242-243 in Light on Life: An Introduction to the Astrology of India).

Natal Sun is in the nakshatra of Ardra.  Its primary symbol is the teardrop.

Additionally, transiting malefic Ketu (South Node) is currently conjunct natal Moon, and also afflicting natal Mercury.  Both Moon and Mercury are planetary significators of the mind.  Transiting natural malefic Mars was also conjunct his natal Moon.  More confluence.

So all of these transits formed the backdrop...now, what was the trigger?  Transiting natural malefic Sun was just 4 degrees past being partile conjunct with natal Mercury, and 8 degrees past being partile conjunct with natal Ketu.

Add all this up and we see way too much malefic transit influence on his mind.

Now, once his actual birth time is located, there will be more corroboration and confluence to all of this...

There are only 2 maraka (death) houses in Jyotisha...the 2nd and the 7th...the Sun rules his 2nd House if he was born at 8:35 AM.  Thus, it was indeed the trigger graha (seizing planet) here...the mental pressure and the psyche-ache just got to be too much for him the night of the 7th and the morning of the 8th...

Saturn rules his maraka 7th, as well as his 8th, and thus the double transit effect of Jupiter and Saturn were both hitting his 8th and 12th Houses...with Saturn transiting in the 6th House...

The only question is whether that blurry screen shot contains another degree besides 18 Cancer...it definitely is a Cancer Ascendant in his Jyotisha chart according to that blurry screen shot, but the exact degree cannot be seen...

"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

Offline James Williams

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2018, 04:00:54 AM »
Several other confluent factors are now seen with this 8:35 AM birth time, but perhaps the most important is that transiting Mars and transiting Ketu (South Node) were PARTILE CONJUNCT in his 7th House, which is one of two of his maraka houses.

Mars rules the 5th House of viveka, that is, discernment and discrimination...they were completely eclipsed, and thus he couldn't think straight...couldn't see any viable options for sticking around...

http://spokensanskrit.org/index.php?mode=3&script=hk&tran_input=viveka&direct=au
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).

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Re: Anthony Bourdain
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2018, 04:15:39 AM »
...thus, the applying Mars transit, in exact conjunction with transiting Ketu (True Nodes) when he made his decision, was the primary trigger Seizer...with the transiting Sun being a secondary trigger...
"There is no step along the road that anyone takes by chance. It has already been taken by him, although he has not yet embarked on it. For time but seems to go in one direction. We undertake a journey that is over. Yet it seems to have a future still unknown to us." "  (Jesus).